2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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68. Did you just find out about that? I remember it from my childhood! It was about Vietnam and not

Wed Feb 10, 2016, 02:40 PM

Feb 2016

'income redistribution'. Amnesty for dodgers of the draft, withdrawing from the war, getting POWs back, cutting the defense budget and passing the ERA were McGovern issues. His proposal for a tax credit which would create a guaranteed minimum income was very similar to Nixon's own Family Assistance Program.

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George McGovern strongly called for the redistribution of income -- and lost 49 states to 1. [View all] pnwmom Feb 2016 OP

And, I voted for him for much the same reason I'll vote for Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #1

"If only McGovern had been more like Nixon" is the unstated "lesson" here. arcane1 Feb 2016 #5

Totally absurd. Also, More than half the people who voted in that election are fuckin dead leftupnorth Feb 2016 #67

McGovern's VP pick had Bipolar, underwent Electroshock. McGovern downplayed, Nixon Attacked! nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #117

Nixon coveted the white house for years, above all-to the point where it clouded his judgment badly. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #134

I volunteered for McGovern. earthside Feb 2016 #87

Nixon attacked McGovern: Called crazy while VP choice underwent Electroshock for Bipolar! TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #115

If we are stupid enough to assume history always repeats: Clinton lost once, thus she'll lose again. arcane1 Feb 2016 #2

Clinton lost by less than half a percentage point. McGovern lost by 49 states. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #4

I'm referring to 2008 n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #9

Hillary lost to Obama in the overall primary by less than a half percent of voters. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #24

Point is, she lost. Your history lesson is irrelevant. n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #34

And? A loss is a loss. frylock Feb 2016 #40

Bernie has had MANY losses in his career. So? The conservative super pacs pnwmom Feb 2016 #99

What's your fucking point? frylock Feb 2016 #100

What's yours? pnwmom Feb 2016 #101

You're living in the past and allowing fear to rule your life. frylock Feb 2016 #103

Fry, cut it out. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #121

Step off. frylock Feb 2016 #131

It was heart breaking. That was the first Presidential livetohike Feb 2016 #3

I was at the McGovern convention (college press pass). kstewart33 Feb 2016 #122

How much do you make? n/t Wilms Feb 2016 #6

How does that affect what is right or wrong? scscholar Feb 2016 #31

Hoarding? vdogg Feb 2016 #80

so spending one's money is fine, saving is not . . . got it DrDan Feb 2016 #94

Hey Pnwmom, it is 2016 NOT 1972. Different Context!! m-lekktor Feb 2016 #7

Tax hikes have recently come into fashion. Who knew? oasis Feb 2016 #18

Methods and the medium for defeating propaganda have changed. frylock Feb 2016 #43

"Propaganda". Would that include promises of free stuff? oasis Feb 2016 #61

Yes, "promises of free stuff" is a perfect example of the propaganda that is getting it's ass kicked frylock Feb 2016 #69

Nobody is promising free stuff. That's another lie. arcane1 Feb 2016 #75

Bernie NEVER uttered the words "free college" or "free health care"? oasis Feb 2016 #138

If he's hiking taxes then he's not promising free stuff. bunnies Feb 2016 #105

My memory is kind of fuzzy. Was it McGovern's campaign oasis Feb 2016 #109

I wouldn't know. That was before I was born. nt bunnies Feb 2016 #137

Tax hikes on the Uber Rich are only "unpopular" whathehell Feb 2016 #45

You should have been there. The contexts were very similar. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #123

Today's meme is "Taxes". Pass it on! beam me up scottie Feb 2016 #8

Yes. The aspens sure are turning in unison, aren't they? Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #93

This McGovern meme is bullshit! His VP pick had Bipolar, He downplayed it & Nixon attacked! nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #118

It wasn't bipolar disorder at all. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #124

Later it was identified to be Bipolar-II disorder. nt TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #127

Redistribution of income? Mortgage Interest Deduction, anyone? closeupready Feb 2016 #10

No We Can't! Ron Green Feb 2016 #11

That was a different time. Vinca Feb 2016 #12

Good thing Bernie isn't running on that platform Paulie Feb 2016 #13

DU needs an enthusiasm award Fumesucker Feb 2016 #14

In 1972 I was wearing diapers. EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #15

Yes times do change. PotatoChip Feb 2016 #53

History has this nasty habit of repeating itself. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #125

Yes we must always run on Republican policies because 45 years ago a Democrat lost an election Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #16

I know, right? It's such fucking bullshit that I could scream. Nay Feb 2016 #108

It's called learning from experience. nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #126

And Hillary is calling for the continued, or at least the codified, redistribution of wealth upward Schema Thing Feb 2016 #17

This may come as a shock to you, but things have changed radically cali Feb 2016 #19

Much like Hillary, this post is living in the past. nt Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #20

McGovern never called himself a Socialist, on camera, repeatedly. onehandle Feb 2016 #21

After saying he backed Eagleton "1,000 per cent" and then throwing him under the bus? Puh-leeze. Had KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #36

You're right! We should be just like Republicans and demand lower taxes! LondonReign2 Feb 2016 #22

You know, for the middle class, that's actually a great idea. nt kstewart33 Feb 2016 #128

More right-wing talking points disguised as "concern"... AOR Feb 2016 #23

"Settle For Hillary!!" AzDar Feb 2016 #25

Different times NowSam Feb 2016 #26

Do we have any stats SheenaR Feb 2016 #27

Richard Nixon meets all three of your criteria and he beat McGovern by 49 states. pnwmom Feb 2016 #32

Message received: McGovern should've been more right-wing like Nixon. arcane1 Feb 2016 #47

Incorrect SheenaR Feb 2016 #49

yep Roy Ellefson Feb 2016 #72

And Nixon cheated. earthside Feb 2016 #88

Nixon had high favorability at that juncture, China and all that.... Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #81

Yet FDR won so many reelections they had to move mmonk Feb 2016 #28

Income hadn't been redistributed upward for 30 years before McGovern JHB Feb 2016 #29

That was then, this is now. Autumn Feb 2016 #30

A good does of REALITY is always a good thing. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #33

It's not 1972 Kall Feb 2016 #35

*yawn* frylock Feb 2016 #37

Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage and has lost the millennial vote pinebox Feb 2016 #38

Ancient history. DinahMoeHum Feb 2016 #39

...and we're all fucked now because he wasn't elected. cyberswede Feb 2016 #41

If it's truly going to be Trump vs Sanders flamingdem Feb 2016 #42

If Trump is a Dem plant or just a guy who really wants to fuck things Nay Feb 2016 #110

McGovern was correct... Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #44

Do you mean Mondale? - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #48

Yes! Mike Nelson Feb 2016 #51

Guaranteed Annual Income -- an idea whose time has come and which is long overdue, imo. Just KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #46

Different times. TheFarseer Feb 2016 #50

My father-in-law said that was a nightmare Iliyah Feb 2016 #52

It's the year 2016. retrowire Feb 2016 #54

THE issue in 1972 was the Vietnam War. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #55

It was different times, Nixon had a similar tax credit called Family Assistance Program which was Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #76

You realize that EVERY GOVERNMENT is about "redistribution of income", bullwinkle428 Feb 2016 #56

Nope, I don't buy that. 44 years ago, when McGovern ran, PatrickforO Feb 2016 #57

Pssst it's not the 60s anymore, the Cold War is over gyroscope Feb 2016 #58

George McGovern didn't have THE INTERNET. nt valerief Feb 2016 #59

This current awakening is fresher, and runs deeper & broader than 1972 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #60

Yeah, and how did that work out for you? tularetom Feb 2016 #62

That was then, this is now. leftupnorth Feb 2016 #63

Abraham Lincoln lost all of the southern states in 1860 election Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #64

Hrmm...let me check my calendar.....nope! It isn't 1972. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #65

Definitely a far different situation.... NiteOwl1 Feb 2016 #66

Did you just find out about that? I remember it from my childhood! It was about Vietnam and not Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #68

Thanks for your incremental fear. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #70

Different time, different electorate. Avalux Feb 2016 #71

So what...this isn't 1972. Punkingal Feb 2016 #73

In 1970 there was not social media jillan Feb 2016 #74

That was then. This is now. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #77

In 1972, I was 2. nt ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #78

The way forward is clear HassleCat Feb 2016 #79

I volunteered for and work on the McGovern campaign Gothmog Feb 2016 #82

They do indeed. Thanks. n/t pnwmom Feb 2016 #83

Nevertheless, they are still irrelevant. longship Feb 2016 #97

And how many times have we heard Bernie say pnwmom Feb 2016 #98

Nevertheless, your historic argument is a non-sequitur. longship Feb 2016 #102

I remember that ad! kstewart33 Feb 2016 #132

Wow. It's almost like BS is trying to EMULATE McGovern. tarheelsunc Feb 2016 #142

It really looks that way Gothmog Feb 2016 #146

And that was a different era The Traveler Feb 2016 #84

McGovern lost because H2O Man Feb 2016 #85

Typical Hillarian ... living in the past. earthside Feb 2016 #86

Sanders polls very well against any of the slugs he would possibly face in the general. Orsino Feb 2016 #89

Bernie Sanders says he polls better against GOP candidates than Hillary Clinton Gothmog Feb 2016 #116

Goldwater strongly called for tax cuts - and lost states 44 to 6. ieoeja Feb 2016 #90

Ooh noes! Socialism!!! 1111!!! Fearless Feb 2016 #91

You do realize that several decades have passed since McGovern? Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #92

Yeah. Because electroshock therapy, Thorazine, and Thomas Eagleton had nothing to do with the loss. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #95

The campaign of McGovern and Sanders cannot be compared as easily as that Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #96

When did taxes become redistribution of wealth? Dretownblues Feb 2016 #104

By contrast - Reagan and Bush actually redistributed the income upward to the wealthy. They won. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #106

"More than half of our states have Republican governors and most of them rejected free Federal... bettyellen Feb 2016 #107

1972 as many others have stated. More than 40 years ago Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #111

Poor Hillary supporters, grasping at straws! AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #112

Is it just possible that things have changed in 40 years? LoveIsNow Feb 2016 #113

lol 44 years ago during the Cold War and far more promising times azurnoir Feb 2016 #114

Did I go through a time warp and wake up in 1972? Odin2005 Feb 2016 #119

If the same electorate were voting today, Bernie would not stand a chance, either. DaveT Feb 2016 #120

But after free trade and the rise of the service economy.... tokenlib Feb 2016 #129

it didn't help McGovern that his original running mate had seizures 0rganism Feb 2016 #130

Boomers need to move on, already. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #133

If the election had been held 2 years later, it would have been close to 49 states the other way jfern Feb 2016 #135

George is not Bernie so don't try to conflate the two. OK madokie Feb 2016 #136

Half the electorate from back then is now dead. Half of today's electorate hadn't yet been born. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #139

We just have to win once. nt bemildred Feb 2016 #140

Republicans don't have a Nixon or Reagan to run against us. Plus, times change. (nt) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #141

Well, that certainly is proof that we should give up and let the rich have it all then. Live and Learn Feb 2016 #143

And McGovern was a WW2 vet, not a conscientious objector who doesn't follow Persondem Feb 2016 #144

2016 is NOT 1972, but it could turn into 1968... John Poet Feb 2016 #145