2016 Postmortem

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63. If Bernie does not get the

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Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:43 PM

Feb 2016

nomination I won't vote for Hillary. End of discussion. I'll vote down ticket only.

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I'm beginning to see the gap as unbridgeable. [View all] cali Feb 2016 OP

Unfortunately..... daleanime Feb 2016 #1

Damn SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #28

It's the gap between liberals and moderate conservatives. frylock Feb 2016 #41

Damn, I was wrong again SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #122

Our idealism is pragmatic. It is the only way we see Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #131

It's not pragmatic when it would result in Dems woolldog Feb 2016 #149

Paranoia. MisterFred Feb 2016 #158

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, sir. woolldog Feb 2016 #164

And to follow up to MrFred SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #179

Wow, really? Beartracks Feb 2016 #251

I have never heard of a Republican anywhere who would vote for her AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #285

Lol. Do the research. cali Feb 2016 #287

I know of two moderate Republicans who are now supporting HRC. And they'd Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #299

I think that a lot of Hillary fans are just afraid of change. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #254

The problem is that if big money has a lock on elections, Rebkeh Feb 2016 #197

Unfortunately logic is lost with some people. But willful ignorance? Phlem Feb 2016 #300

Good advice, that. Nt Rebkeh Feb 2016 #302

sadly, HRC is the choice that will lead to Trump -- it's math. anyone can add it up. nashville_brook Feb 2016 #212

Obviously, woolldog Feb 2016 #220

Right concern... daleanime Feb 2016 #219

Did you even read what you wrote before you clicked "Post my Reply"? MattSh Feb 2016 #265

.... woolldog Feb 2016 #290

I could care less what the party designation is if it's not LIBERALS in control. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #305

Too right! I have said from the beginning that Hillary is by far Bernie's toughest opponent. Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #267

There is a gap between pragmatic Democrats and cynical Democrats tularetom Feb 2016 #139

When your wrongs keep adding up, it's time to look at where we are in the most corrupt campaign.. MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #153

+1 Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #166

No its a contest between pragmatic traditional Democratic values vs. continued right wing ologarchy LiberalLovinLug Feb 2016 #209

See what they did there? JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #226

"Pragmatism"= "we don't want to fight the GOP, because we hold the same positions Lorien Feb 2016 #232

Pragmatism is an excuse to accept a corrupt culture that has given us 16 million children living in rhett o rick Feb 2016 #237

+1 applegrove Feb 2016 #241

Your response proves cali's point, I'm afraid RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #174

Yet TeddyR Feb 2016 #189

Decades of corporate propaganda have paid off RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #198

Really? timmymoff Feb 2016 #243

Your comment is incorrect based on the popular vote totals already taken. tonybgood Feb 2016 #270

no, here it is most defintely a team thing Skittles Feb 2016 #234

The gap between Dem establishment and the left... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #185

Welcome Hooptie SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #194

Burn those bridges! HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #208

How wrong do you want to be? SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #211

I did not state my decision, so don't put words in my mouth. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #213

"They see no difference" SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #215

If you want the lefts votes, you have to earn them. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #217

Alright Hooptie SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #222

That made me laugh timmymoff Feb 2016 #245

Need to read your history SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #273

I need to learn history? timmymoff Feb 2016 #283

No credible analyst or study SCantiGOP Feb 2016 #284

again. timmymoff Feb 2016 #289

Agree, 100%! chwaliszewski Feb 2016 #228

you might want to delete your post grasswire Feb 2016 #239

What is a "D"emocrat? daleanime Feb 2016 #227

This class war isn't between Democrats and Republicons. The class war is between the rhett o rick Feb 2016 #238

The gap between Sanders and Clinton is far greater than the gap between Clinton and the Doctor_J Feb 2016 #262

What's at stake. Kittycat Feb 2016 #56

I think you may be right... freebrew Feb 2016 #168

Exactly, in will be the SOS! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2016 #187

When Citizens Suffer BDS - The Results Are Completely Predictable cantbeserious Feb 2016 #2

How to do the addition HassleCat Feb 2016 #3

You are making the point. cali Feb 2016 #9

^^^ This. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #85

Sounds like a protection racket NowSam Feb 2016 #117

How UnDemocratic & selfish of you, 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #134

You are right. What was I thinking? nt NowSam Feb 2016 #150

God, I can't wait till Bernie fires DWS!! Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #293

Holy fucking mother of dog shit... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #162

Wow that was a great analysis CorkySt.Clair Feb 2016 #200

I got the same idea a looooong time ago. Wilms Feb 2016 #4

They want her, and those issues are secondary. TDale313 Feb 2016 #5

shape-shifting is definitely what it is. Merryland Feb 2016 #11

You forgot because they own her. KPN Feb 2016 #21

Head to toe, lock stock and barrel. hifiguy Feb 2016 #105

I'm thinking they don't...anymore sammythecat Feb 2016 #298

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #252

It seems to fly in the face of common sense, Merryland Feb 2016 #6

The status quo is very comfortable for some. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #7

2 days later they're still pushing Huerta: they don't care MisterP Feb 2016 #8

Only because many if not most people still aren't paying attention ... KPN Feb 2016 #22

yeah, what sort of campaign RELIES on people being too broke to donate to anyone else MisterP Feb 2016 #31

Someone trying to take Democratic out of Democracy Matariki Feb 2016 #102

Just because it isnt true doesnt mean its not an important story! Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #260

Actually, I agree with you about corporate money. But, as long as that is allowed by current laws, Hoyt Feb 2016 #10

I don't believe anyone who thinks that's a vital issue, could support cali Feb 2016 #17

Do you care to elaborate or just post your usual BS. If GOPers are taking it, why not our candidate Hoyt Feb 2016 #25

If you resort to a republican style of campaigning tularetom Feb 2016 #52

I've seen campaign tactics like HRH's before. hifiguy Feb 2016 #107

this is an interesting conspiracy theory. too bad you can't elaborate.... bettyellen Feb 2016 #182

Ask Jeb! how important all that PAC money is to winning this election. lapfog_1 Feb 2016 #136

Bernie has proved that people will pay up for something they believe in Armstead Feb 2016 #146

The Polls show Bernie beating ALL Republicans. bvar22 Feb 2016 #221

It is hardly just one discrete election cycle. It is Hillary's.entire disgusting cali Feb 2016 #257

Perhaps there are some who are unaware how long the vetting process is before someone gets here. nolabels Feb 2016 #35

And still a young one term Senator managed to get elected and stay Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #137

And I was more than proud to contribute to that campaign also nolabels Feb 2016 #157

Sure, and no one who supports peace would ever object to.... ThreeWayFanny Feb 2016 #193

Thank you. (nt) NurseJackie Feb 2016 #39

I believe like you. If you want a level playing field you at least have to play on the same field. Jitter65 Feb 2016 #130

Bingo! The same people who slam Hillary for taking legal corporate $ stopbush Feb 2016 #177

"...so there is no reason to believe Clinton has to, or even will, repay them..." CrispyQ Feb 2016 #280

Well, you are just speculating based upon how you might react. We know for a fact, she got $280K Hoyt Feb 2016 #281

The choice farleftlib Feb 2016 #12

That is my slogan too. truedelphi Feb 2016 #255

The photograph & footage of Bernie being arrested for what he believes tell you all you need to know Merryland Feb 2016 #13

The Primaries are far from over, but Pandora's Box is open and the cat is out of the bag. libdem4life Feb 2016 #14

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #15

"Never take a knife to a gunfight" oasis Feb 2016 #16

That comment is so puerile it's depressing. cali Feb 2016 #18

The funny thing is that Obama, who overused that phrase, ended up taking a spork to Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #19

A plastic spork at that. democrank Feb 2016 #23

One of those ones that melts in hot liquids. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #24

Is that Old Codger Feb 2016 #74

You got the point, right.? oasis Feb 2016 #109

Apparently you don't Old Codger Feb 2016 #118

I honestly believe this is the way the party 'dies' Joe the Revelator Feb 2016 #20

I think both parties are in their death throes. nt artislife Feb 2016 #32

Would love to see Working Families Party become a national one Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #53

As long as it cherishes poor people and the unable to work. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #163

That's a VERY interesting observation; I hadn't looked at it like that before, closeupready Feb 2016 #77

If I vote for Hillary.... democrank Feb 2016 #26

Since I have to live with myself 840high Feb 2016 #34

Then you are saying that you can live with a Trump, Cruz, or Rubio presidency onenote Feb 2016 #42

No, sorry. Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #54

That's too bad. But if you can live with one of those maniacs as President onenote Feb 2016 #73

At that point, I'll have to turn my attention to trying to survive (nt) Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #76

Try surviving in a Cruz theocracy, longship Feb 2016 #192

So will I Autumn Colors. peacebird Feb 2016 #195

If Bernie does not get the 840high Feb 2016 #63

Please at least vote Green Party then (nt) Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #79

good suggestion. indivisibleman Feb 2016 #89

onenote greymouse Feb 2016 #67

Yes. 840high Feb 2016 #72

If we don't stop the repubs, a lot fewer people will have a choice onenote Feb 2016 #78

We have a choice of forming a new party AFTER this election Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #82

What you fail to realize is that... Nacho-_-Bandito Feb 2016 #140

"This scare tactic doesn't work anymore because we HAVE ALREADY reached the point........... DJ13 Feb 2016 #242

Spot on Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2016 #135

Slow boil, fast boil - we're dead either way bread_and_roses Feb 2016 #271

I'll only vote for her if my state is actually in play. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #272

Neither can I. n/t PonyUp Feb 2016 #47

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I'll vote for Bernie, if it comes down to it. Paladin Feb 2016 #61

But if Hillary wins the nomination... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #114

President Trump? Thanks for nothing, "believers." Paladin Feb 2016 #154

Glad its Contagious to you. LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #155

If I vote for Hillary in the general, I'm voting against the republican nominee bhikkhu Feb 2016 #37

I don't think the party is really a "big tent" anymore. it does not want to be newthinking Feb 2016 #58

! appalachiablue Feb 2016 #147

Voting is starting to seem like a useless act. mainer Feb 2016 #27

This Gen-Xer is starting to feel the same. frylock Feb 2016 #46

That makes two of us.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #115

You're right, kid... ThreeWayFanny Feb 2016 #202

Gee. Thanks, pops. frylock Feb 2016 #203

As my son likes to say... ThreeWayFanny Feb 2016 #216

I'm a boomer who's voted Dem. in every election since 1980 Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #60

Same here. indivisibleman Feb 2016 #93

Good for you! And don't worry .... ThreeWayFanny Feb 2016 #218

Eeyup. hifiguy Feb 2016 #111

Yo that. appalachiablue Feb 2016 #148

and then you'll blame Hillary for losing the election Skittles Feb 2016 #233

Nope. Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #235

Boy, do I ever hear you. truedelphi Feb 2016 #256

Winner!!!! tazkcmo Feb 2016 #269

I also think it is unbridgeable pengu Feb 2016 #29

For me it quit working 840high Feb 2016 #36

I agree. Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #30

Next to environmental issues, you are right, logosoco Feb 2016 #33

Unbridgeable. Juicy_Bellows Feb 2016 #38

Agree completely. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #40

I live in the real world..idealist don't beachbumbob Feb 2016 #43

Enjoy your real-world general election beat down. frylock Feb 2016 #48

exactly ^^^^ n/t indivisibleman Feb 2016 #98

Yep and .....This^^^^^ LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #116

this thread is much too depressing. it needs cheering up griloco Feb 2016 #44

We used this song in a local Maryland film festival trailer Merryland Feb 2016 #64

i wish I coulda been there. griloco Feb 2016 #110

It was a total coincidence. Merryland Feb 2016 #159

You're right. It's unbridgeable. qwlauren35 Feb 2016 #45

For example, I saw a list of the things that Hillary does or doesn't support and I was okay with it. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #55

Some things I don't think she'll flip-flop on. qwlauren35 Feb 2016 #106

So what is her stance on "childhood education"? Art_from_Ark Feb 2016 #246

I'll vote for either in November for similar reasons DemocraticWing Feb 2016 #253

Good grief. cheapdate Feb 2016 #49

He also said, if you're in a blue state vote green. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #68

I am and probably will Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #71

Unfortunately, I live in a swing state, North Carolina. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #86

You aren't alone. Sigh nt Duval Feb 2016 #138

I'm in NC too ms liberty Feb 2016 #186

I'm in North Raliegh and you're right, there's no way Hillary can take NC in the general. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #206

Yes, the premise being that such a vote in a safe blue state cheapdate Feb 2016 #97

Might as well, if a Democrat doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. n/t TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #125

My state is as blue as the sky in presidential elections hifiguy Feb 2016 #178

Living in a purple state sucks. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #190

So has Bernie said anything about the RW SuperPacs putting up anti-Hillary ads ucrdem Feb 2016 #50

That is such a red herring. Silly same playing seems to be the cali Feb 2016 #69

In your OP you called it "the most urgent problem we face." So make up your mind. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #99

I didn't contradict myself. Let me be clear: Hill SuperPacs are no better than Rubio cali Feb 2016 #288

Have the Dems ever deliberately jettisoned and alienated the left before, and won? delrem Feb 2016 #51

see 2010 and 2014 and you have your answer...shit, in their wisdom islandmkl Feb 2016 #87

If I quit working, I can go back to indigent care at the county hospital. As I am working, I am DhhD Feb 2016 #119

Excellent Summary of What Many Loathe McKim Feb 2016 #205

HRC needs to pick Lloyd Blankfein as her VP. That way everything will be on the Up and Up. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #57

it doesnt matter to them restorefreedom Feb 2016 #59

Yes. Correct. closeupready Feb 2016 #83

Yep. They will continue lining their pockets hifiguy Feb 2016 #184

Hell yeah, Cali! On everything you said. dinkytron Feb 2016 #62

Corruption, or Uh, Clinton Wins, Again! mckara Feb 2016 #65

The Princeton Study is my touchstone Beowulf Feb 2016 #66

Yes, it's sort of like proof that we aren't the crazies. They are. cali Feb 2016 #75

And they expect us to offer freely our support for their candidate, Beowulf Feb 2016 #91

The sociopath is a word or idea you might want to get to understand better nolabels Feb 2016 #108

I think normal is bullshit and I think the label sociopath cali Feb 2016 #127

Yep, I do too, to a point nolabels Feb 2016 #207

Agreed...and it doesn't really represent actual sociopathy very well. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #275

"Unbridgeable" my ass. Paladin Feb 2016 #80

Not light-years. indivisibleman Feb 2016 #101

This Argument is Old.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #121

I'm 100% with you CanonRay Feb 2016 #81

We are talking different languages indeed, by design. Watch the way they twist the silvershadow Feb 2016 #84

I'm sorry if someone else said this - OhZone Feb 2016 #88

Bear in mind that a million for Bernie is like 5-7 million superpac money for others. Lucky Luciano Feb 2016 #169

Here is some math for you. Yuugal Feb 2016 #236

I'm with you Cali Matariki Feb 2016 #90

I'm beginning to surmise it as well Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #92

I'm beginning to surmise Matariki Feb 2016 #104

Is that what they call paid trolls and ratfuckers these days? hifiguy Feb 2016 #188

It's a wierd thing. Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #94

Maybe this? Populist_Prole Feb 2016 #129

I Didn't Leave the Democratic Party; Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #95

I may be headed to the door soon. davidpdx Feb 2016 #248

But...but...Clinton is against corporate funding...sometimes...maybe..a little bit..when convenient. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #96

The thought of Wasserman Schultz being rewarded with a cabinet level position Matariki Feb 2016 #100

It makes me want to heave davidpdx Feb 2016 #249

Bravo! Bravissimo!! hifiguy Feb 2016 #103

Maybe you should actually study the issue of inequality... Sancho Feb 2016 #112

And the Princeton study disagrees with your concluslions cali Feb 2016 #124

Why do you feel your links support your claim? One of them is a book review that does not Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #126

Ok..follow the links for one simple example.... Sancho Feb 2016 #167

With all due respect, your conclusions continue to point to a polluted electoral system. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #196

Oh get off it....Save your powder till the fall when it is needed against the GOP Armstead Feb 2016 #176

Being treated the way he has by the Democratic Establishment, I hope Bernie andrewv1 Feb 2016 #113

I know he said he'd never do that Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #133

this election exposes a huge weakness among liberals. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2016 #120

Uh Huh.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2016 #123

Well, I'm with you, cali, on this. Duval Feb 2016 #128

I just saw a post on FB Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #132

Under ideal circumstances Turbineguy Feb 2016 #141

Cognitive dissonance is the perfect term pdsimdars Feb 2016 #142

I try to understand Clinton supporters perspective but I admit it is more than difficult for me. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #143

This isn't about Sanders v. Clinton. It's about what happens after the nomination is settled. onenote Feb 2016 #151

The OP is about corruption in politics and who is best placed to confront it. The primary is Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #171

Public financing of campaigns. blm Feb 2016 #144

We have been disenfranchised. frustrated_lefty Feb 2016 #145

Yea the willingness to overlook corruption DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2016 #152

Hillary supporters have established themselves as the opponents of progressive policy. Maedhros Feb 2016 #156

It's weird, I agree. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #201

So the world doesn't conform to your ideological standards Cary Feb 2016 #160

I just can't do it TrueDemVA Feb 2016 #161

I was just saying to someone this morning Rebkeh Feb 2016 #165

We're not even looking at the election the same way Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #170

Your OP parrots Bernie' one-note view of the world to perfection. stopbush Feb 2016 #172

I think your OP is completely unfair GitRDun Feb 2016 #173

The fact that her supporters make excuses after excuses about how it's ok for her to take davidpdx Feb 2016 #247

Sorry, I'm sure there are exceptions built most Hillary supporters cali Feb 2016 #258

OK well too broad brush for me...no worries. eom GitRDun Feb 2016 #303

K&R. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #175

The majority of Americans are NOT part of the wealth of this country. Even if you make a couple RKP5637 Feb 2016 #180

I just don't understand Hillary Clinton supporters Don Draper Feb 2016 #181

As hillary says... ThreeWayFanny Feb 2016 #210

Any that aren't 1%'ers make no sense to me, either. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2016 #274

Now you say you don't understand us, when half your posts say you know exactly what we think CreekDog Feb 2016 #304

Never give up warrprayer Feb 2016 #183

True in politics and life rufus dog Feb 2016 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #199

The purpose of a bridge is to get from point A to point B. world wide wally Feb 2016 #204

Can't Bridge the Gap to War McKim Feb 2016 #214

My wife and I each donated $27 to Hillary's campaign Chico Man Feb 2016 #223

And that has absolutely nothing to do with it. cali Feb 2016 #231

K&R! I would love to see this receive several hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #224

Agreed. blackspade Feb 2016 #225

I'm with you, but... zentrum Feb 2016 #229

We can't change any issue for the better without getting money out of politics first Lorien Feb 2016 #230

I'm not sure what I'll do if Clinton wins nom but I've been thinking Nanjeanne Feb 2016 #240

There was an entry poll LittleBlue Feb 2016 #244

Allow me to speak your language. Third Way Speak twists my tongue into a fork. eom Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #250

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2016 #259

I'm almost thinking we need a Progressive Underground and leave Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2016 #261

I agree (nt) Autumn Colors Feb 2016 #263

It's identity politics whirlygigspin Feb 2016 #264

I don't see anything or anyone holding you back. Just make a choice & do it. EV_Ares Feb 2016 #279

Kick cali Feb 2016 #266

The divide is clear. One finds a friend in multi-national corporations. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #268

imo we have gone beyond the point where truebluegreen Feb 2016 #276

Given the Proportional Distribution of delegates on the Dem side, in a two-way race it either has JCMach1 Feb 2016 #277

Another bitter post from same poster trashing Clinton. Poor loser. EV_Ares Feb 2016 #278

"We have built a culture around pretending our government isn't really corrupt." Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #282

Thank you very much. cali Feb 2016 #286

Bottom line--GE will be the ins vs. the outs randr Feb 2016 #291

It has been unbridgeable for a few years nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #292

Please don't get discouraged about the gap! TygrBright Feb 2016 #294

She doesn't have a penis. Thus, she's worthy of all our votes. MadDAsHell Feb 2016 #295

A significant chunk of this baffling cognitive dissonance, sammythecat Feb 2016 #296

Totally agree. We are not only talking different languages but jwirr Feb 2016 #297

Word. It can't be fixed by an effective ad or an impressive debate performance RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #301