Please don't focus on one tree (Clinton or Sanders) and lose site of the forest.

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28. Its is far past time to drop the canard that dems voting for Nader gave the election to W.

Dems voting for GWB and Liberman as VP nominee made the 2000 POTUS election close.

Voting irregularities, a bad act by the USSC, and failure to try much less stay the course by Gore the Democratic leadership gave the election to GWB.

That Nader canard is and always has been a weak excuse that says more about those that would opine such rather than reality.

Trump has the ability to make Hillary Clinton "lose it" in debate; not by policy substance but by his arrogance.

As a 1%, no doubt you are a neoliberal. The neoliberal and traditional liberal divide in the Democratic party is an issue to be solved as the political philosophies run counter except for issues of cultural and identity politics where neoliberals (such as Obama and the Clintons are as Machivellian as the neoconservatives, they just play to more educated and diverse groups). It may take an actual split in the party to solve the divide.

For the last 25 years the neoliberals in the Democratic party have ascended and have been hell bent on destroying the 20th century Democratic Party gains of the New Deal / Great Society while enhancing the power of concentrated capital and extending the global military and economic empire.

If "we" lose the 2016 election to Trump / GOP, the fault will lie solely in the lap of the neoliberal Democrats and the Democratic Party leadership that prematurely crowned Hillary Clinton the Democratic POTUS nominee.

Based upon voting history and stated policy, Sanders should be a walk-over within the Party versus Clinton.

I say this not because Bernie Sanders is my ideal candidate but that he has been the only one willing to step forward to slow the travesty of the Democratic leadership not doing a good job of representing most Democratic voters either legislatively or in getting Democrats into office.

If Clinton had not competed in 2016, we would have had a healthy range of Democratic candidates still weakened by the stranglehold of the neoliberals.

You are correct in that HRC is just a politician.

It sickens me and makes me angry to come on to DU and see the negative tones and smears. The source at DU is not GOP operatives.