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Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
112. Yes, it happens at least once a day
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 04:15 PM
Feb 2016

At least once a day, an apologist for establishment Democrats comes on DU to tell the progressives that there's nothing wrong with the Democratic Party or neoliberalism or a widening income gap or crooked Wall Street banks; and the we should sit down, shut up and vote for the corrupt candidates you "sensible" people choose for us and pretend we like being screwed.

How long do you really think that's going to last? How long do you really think we peons will play dumb for the benefit of corrupt politicians and their crooked paymasters like Legs Dimon and Pretty Boy Lloyd in an economy that gives us an illusion of prosperity as one bubble expands but always brings us back to a terrible reality when it bursts?

Let me try to express this in a way that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders or any of the Republican clowns still standing. The most consequential president in our lifetime, dwarfing all the others, was Ronald Reagan, and that is not a good thing. He is consequential because his administration (not Reagan himself, he never knew what he was doing) ushering in the era of neoliberalism. He'd be horrified to call it that, of course, but it goes by other names: supply-side economics, trickle-down economics, Reaganomics,etc. Lately, I've taken to calling it really fucked up economics. Whatever it's called, it is the Zeitgeist of the day since 1981. It presumes, falsely, that a deregulated market will work at least as well if not better than a government regulated market because the elites, being wise men or they would not be so wealthy, will make rational decisions and not try to take such an advantage over their rivals in the market because that would destroy the market that benefits them. And they would create jobs by reinvesting profits into their magical wealth creating corporations and everybody lives happily ever after.

A person who believes that probably believes in rainbows and unicorns. We've been waiting for trickle-down for three and half decades. If that were a workable scheme, we'd all be rich and happy by now. Instead, we have a situation where the middle class is shrinking and most new income goes to the corporate elites and stays there. It's like were trying to have capitalism without a middle class to buy the products generated in factories or on farms. A Marxist would call that a contradiction. I didn't go to an Ivy League university like the reprobates who run industry and government, but a mere state university, so I just call it unsustainable. Anyone with common sense would observe the situation, subject it to scientific analysis, and conclude that it just doesn't work.

Except for those who profit from really fucked economics, and I think they're just trying to hoodwink the rest of us.

The "Democratic" Party has lost its soul. [View all] The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 OP
This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Feb 2016 #1
I agree, cantbe... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #75
..+1 840high Feb 2016 #102
Clinton v sanders is a proxy war musiclawyer Feb 2016 #104
Yes - There Are Effectively Six Parties In America - The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own Three cantbeserious Feb 2016 #109
Again??? This seems to happen at least once a day wyldwolf Feb 2016 #2
It's sad to see what has happened to the Democratic party. Gregorian Feb 2016 #7
Like what? wyldwolf Feb 2016 #9
Like having a candidate that is cozyer to Goldman Sachs then the people. libtodeath Feb 2016 #15
so your misgivings haven't actually happened yet. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #16
Huh? libtodeath Feb 2016 #18
Hillary (at least your impression of her) isn't our candidate yet. wyldwolf Feb 2016 #20
thank god. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #23
I think you're missing the point. Bubzer Feb 2016 #26
corporations and banks, and insider influence. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #41
+1 Bubzer Feb 2016 #43
Your last sentence would be ironic if she were in fact a feminist in more than just words. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2016 #170
I don't have an impression of Hillary. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #142
At least she doesn't owe them a million bucks, unlike some... maddiemom Feb 2016 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #191
They made a Faustin Deal Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #140
Like instead of welcoming in new energy and enthusiasm.... Armstead Feb 2016 #35
Well said. AzDar Feb 2016 #74
exactly like that. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #87
What "new message" would that be? jmowreader Feb 2016 #96
We are much closer to the first extreme than the other Armstead Feb 2016 #111
We already had all that ... aggiesal Feb 2016 #113
Please stop impugning the good name of FDR by attaching Sanders' handle to it jmowreader Feb 2016 #115
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #124
Here ya go... Lucky Luciano Feb 2016 #150
I was going to make the very same suggestion sammythecat Feb 2016 #155
Jesus Friggin' Christ you don't have a clue about FDR. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #151
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #165
The usual centrist fear mongering hogwash Armstead Feb 2016 #194
Riiiiiight. JEB Feb 2016 #141
Cannot believe how conservative this statement sounds. AllyCat Feb 2016 #169
I can not believe a 'democrat' actually wrote this--- pangaia Feb 2016 #177
+1 nt Duval Feb 2016 #193
Like this: Raster Feb 2016 #42
except that "other guy" is the one they are browbeating to vote the party in the GE bbgrunt Feb 2016 #90
Like what? democrank Feb 2016 #108
Giving up on a health-care system driven by people in favor of profit for a few AllyCat Feb 2016 #167
Yes, it happens at least once a day Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #112
advocating against the Democratic party bigtree Feb 2016 #118
POUTING? Rockyj Feb 2016 #131
Interesting how they don't fear a complete meltdown if the Loki Feb 2016 #173
Duh. It's the primary and Bernie truebluegreen Feb 2016 #180
Really, you don't really know me Loki Feb 2016 #184
My my, did we hit a nerve? truebluegreen Feb 2016 #186
Really? Loki Feb 2016 #188
Really. truebluegreen Feb 2016 #190
The record of 3rd-Way conservative Republicrats will cost my kids 50 years of republicon rule. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #3
+1 mountain grammy Feb 2016 #59
+1 appalachiablue Feb 2016 #69
I'm about ready to start calling it the "Democrat Party" myself. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #76
Republican governors and their plan to redistrict that crap out of their states? Loki Feb 2016 #189
We??? Sorry, but your lauded 3rd-Way conservicrats are responsible for letting this happen. Kip Humphrey Feb 2016 #192
Yeah. I wish I thought he was wrong. TDale313 Feb 2016 #4
Yes, and it's Way past time fredamae Feb 2016 #5
We're circling the drain. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #6
He should have spoken up sooner. It might have helped. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #8
He could've been feeling some heat. platitudipus Feb 2016 #160
They rely heavily on blaming Republicans, it is not a winning message. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #10
Tell that to Bernie. Blaming his opponent seems to be his campaign strategy now. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #78
I am talking about the DNC and our losses overall..not about Clinton and Bernie. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #85
When Republicans stop destroying our country, I will stop blaming them. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #94
They're not going to do that and they're well placed to continue to do so if Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #105
Hillary has a positive message, unlike Sanders. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #135
The DNC is not doing their job for GOTV, the losses across the states have been massive and Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #139
The candidates are supposed to get out the vote for themselves. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #143
Huh? Again, the party is suppose to increase voter turn out, as I said earlier, it is low. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #147
Certainly the DNC & DCCC can "reinforce" Dem candidates' efforts. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #148
I thought Bernie was supposed to drive turnout to historic levels redstateblues Feb 2016 #152
LOL SunSeeker Feb 2016 #161
"No, We Can't" is a positive message? truebluegreen Feb 2016 #185
Those words were nowhere in that video. Her message is about expanding opportunity. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #197
Those words are implicit in darn near every policy truebluegreen Feb 2016 #198
On the contrary, pragmatic progressive means she wants to get things done. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #202
The moderate Repulican Party is the Democrat Party! Rockyj Feb 2016 #132
No. No portion of the current Republican Party is equivalent to the current Democratic Party. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #133
You are correct that's why there are no longer any moderate Republicans (now extinct in the R party) Dragonfli Feb 2016 #144
Hope to see this reposted on GD:P. Thank you to Dragonfli. DhhD Feb 2016 #175
If you mean the OP referred to in the post, I would ask the public here if I should post it in GDP Dragonfli Feb 2016 #204
They continue to go with beltanefauve Feb 2016 #127
The Party didn't Loose it soul. It was SOLD out from under us Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #11
ooh! An alternate theory is introduced! wyldwolf Feb 2016 #12
Not alternat theory - History Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #27
Psst! Do some research on the Democratic Business Council... a half decade before the DLC wyldwolf Feb 2016 #32
So you're saying that the Clinton's (and others) Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #39
yeah, unless you can show proof of that wyldwolf Feb 2016 #40
here ya go... Armstead Feb 2016 #117
*** Crickets *** *** Agony Feb 2016 #166
No surprise at all. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #13
It was not so long ago that the Democratic Party was competitive in Florida. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #91
To put the damage DWS has done in Florida into perspective,... HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #120
It's sad. I understand your sentiments. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #121
While I agree with this particular message BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #14
I am no fan of Grayson and I usually delete his emails The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #17
why is everyone so down on Grayson mdbl Feb 2016 #30
Apparently your not in the know .... Historic NY Feb 2016 #62
Please link to a credible source mdbl Feb 2016 #70
Look it up you find ton. Historic NY Feb 2016 #88
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #125
Newsmax = pure shit. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #93
Really...its gone mainstream Historic NY Feb 2016 #106
People are so lazy they won't even check here. Historic NY Feb 2016 #110
Thanks for the info mdbl Feb 2016 #138
So Grayson "the champion of the people" is doing this. SkyIsGrey Feb 2016 #164
It's his personal life, not his political one. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #178
And look downthread. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #179
"I think Grayson is a corrupt scumbag" jhart3333 Feb 2016 #29
Took me a while to find it, but here's a link BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #119
He seems to be an opportunist, and practices situational ethics. / FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #129
kick kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #19
He's a loser MaggieD Feb 2016 #21
He's a loser AlbertCat Feb 2016 #44
I know, a profound statment, isn't it? Hydra Feb 2016 #58
Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #95
Think middle class, middle age suicides are bad now, wait until Hillary ships another million jobs whereisjustice Feb 2016 #22
I think Elizabeth Warren needs to come out now for Bernie. It's the county's last chance IMO litlbilly Feb 2016 #24
And, we need to triple the ground game for Bernie, it's just us and no one else who can get it done litlbilly Feb 2016 #25
I will be incredibly disappointed in her if she doesn't Svafa Feb 2016 #200
Maybe he could use some of his hedge fund money to pay for a reform movement? brooklynite Feb 2016 #28
Maybe he could use some of his hedge fund money to pay for a reform movement? AlbertCat Feb 2016 #49
Yes. Yes it has. VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #31
Please make this an OP - nt kenn3d Feb 2016 #51
Please make this an OP! peacebird Feb 2016 #63
Her Majesty is a lying piece of crap hifiguy Feb 2016 #79
I wish I could disagree. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #98
Yes, any one of these issues should be an OP! Duppers Feb 2016 #122
:) VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #130
They didn't lose it, they sold it. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #33
The scheduling of the debates said a lot about DNC strategy GreatGazoo Feb 2016 #34
Hillary winning with a 12% turnout, just like winning a baseball game because the other litlbilly Feb 2016 #36
Bottom Line-Neither Dem Candidate Will Win fredamae Feb 2016 #60
SC won't mean a thing in the GE. hifiguy Feb 2016 #99
The VOTERS are choosing Clinton over Sanders, not the DNC. 4lbs Feb 2016 #37
Good, let's ask HRC to demand that superdelegates votes not count as it's undemocratic to the voters EndElectoral Feb 2016 #38
I agree. While we're at it, let's do away with caucuses. PWPippin Feb 2016 #50
It's not like they keep the date and time of the primary/caucus a secret. They were announced 4lbs Feb 2016 #65
Tell that to some one who absolutely needs to work zalinda Feb 2016 #83
The Iowa Caucus was done from 5:00pm to 9:00pm local time. The Nevada Caucus was on a 4lbs Feb 2016 #92
In addition, how is it democratic to have to vote publicly? PWPippin Feb 2016 #126
Interesting, in 2008, the superdelegates went the way the people wanted. 4lbs Feb 2016 #54
She won't even need them...nt kjones Feb 2016 #56
Hillary couldn't win in Iowa and Nevada if the party wasn't putting the thumb on the scales AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #48
Always someone else's fault redstateblues Feb 2016 #153
This Democratic campaign is about the big bad evil DNC. It is a conspiracy. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #100
Really? I remember seeing earlier in the week before the SC primary, how Sanders was 4lbs Feb 2016 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #181
Low information voters overwhelmingly support Clinton Maedhros Feb 2016 #203
The Dems, like the GOP, remain a wholly-owned subsidiary of corporate America Mufaddal Feb 2016 #45
Damn! And I forgot to ask for stock options...nt kjones Feb 2016 #57
Thanks for illustrating my point Mufaddal Feb 2016 #61
This whole "bought and paid for" stuff...it's all crap. kjones Feb 2016 #68
Candidate's actual funding = smear Mufaddal Feb 2016 #72
We could go back and forth on this for quite a while. davidthegnome Feb 2016 #86
and they're only running on "we're the only faction that can win in the GE"--it's their STRONGEST MisterP Feb 2016 #46
"They've paved Paradise"" GoldenMean Feb 2016 #47
translation - I and my candidates are not winning primaries hfojvt Feb 2016 #52
The OP expresses a frustration that long predates Sanders Armstead Feb 2016 #64
South Carolina just did not like him. stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #53
The Democratic Party has drifted so far to the right bvf Feb 2016 #55
Definitely AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #137
Seen this going on in my state so much it is almost like a joke dembotoz Feb 2016 #66
I generally agree with this with one big exception Samantha Feb 2016 #67
^^^Agree! 3rd Way is profoundly different felix_numinous Feb 2016 #162
Because Sanders lost in SC? Politicub Feb 2016 #71
kick & rec #100 Vote2016 Feb 2016 #73
I'm only in it to vote for Bernie, even though I've been a member for forty-six years. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #77
I received the same email, not sure how I got on his list 2banon Feb 2016 #80
Ironic accusation coming from a guy who abandoned the mother of his 5 kids to live on welfare. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #81
Nobody's defending Grayson as a person - The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #116
No we haven't. This is silly. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #84
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #89
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #97
Bill Maher talks about the GOP bubble, but the dem one is just as bad. basselope Feb 2016 #101
The third way is a losing stategy noiretextatique Feb 2016 #107
Look at what we`ve become.... democrank Feb 2016 #114
Bravo for this thread Duppers Feb 2016 #123
He's right. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #128
He had a straw poll last week. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #134
Brilliant pdsimdars Feb 2016 #136
We've been infiltrated and co-opted by "moderate" .. ananda Feb 2016 #145
Well We Know His You Choose Who My Superdelegate Goes To Is A Scam... Corey_Baker08 Feb 2016 #146
And to cast a "vote" you have to enter your email BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #159
think the Democratic party is gonna split between ahem the conservatives and the Liberals PatrynXX Feb 2016 #149
Say what you want about Alan Grayson, but he's speaking the truth here. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #154
Wow... SoapBox Feb 2016 #156
I sat for a long time... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #157
What Lame Excuses To Clintonites Have For This billhicks76 Feb 2016 #158
This party is going to split. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #163
This is exactly why I refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton jbeck Feb 2016 #168
"Including the biggest wipeout for the Democratic Party in more than 100 years." Major Hogwash Feb 2016 #171
Bernie as a third party c-ville rook Feb 2016 #172
K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #174
Every dollar in Wall St is a dollar against bottom up democracy. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #176
Tweeted yuiyoshida Feb 2016 #182
Now, I get email threats... freebrew Feb 2016 #183
You left out the fundraising link in the email Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #187
Kicked. nt MaeScott Feb 2016 #195
I Will Vote For Alan Grayson! n/t ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #196
The current Democratic party is more in line with the Republican party Svafa Feb 2016 #199
Take back the Democratic Party for the people! senz Feb 2016 #201
Morning Consult National Poll: HRC 51%, SBS 35% Recoverin_Republican Feb 2016 #205
Sit down and shut up, you proletarian pigs. hifiguy Feb 2016 #206
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