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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
35. Sort of "Socialism." Really Social Democracy.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:24 AM
Mar 2016

American conservatives and libertarians have been screaming for years that essentially any government spending for the public good is "socialism," because in the past that term was a reliable way to create fear and panic about Soviet nukes and so forth.

Socialism is supposed to be about government owning the means of production, which is actually pretty radical, and is not what Bernie Sanders is currently advocating.

What's happened I think is that the term has been so sorely abused by corporatists trying to sow fear and justify preventing government from serving the collective good in any way that it no longer means what it used to mean.

Sanders is running as a Social Democrat, advocating a mixed economy where private entrepreneurship generates most business, and government provides a healthy array of social services, infrastructure, and some kind of social welfare.

This is what happens when people dissemble and exaggerate to push extremism as American conservatives have done. People are so tired of explaining that a normal modern democracy isn't a "socialist" state that they've just decided that "socialism" as described by greedy idiots doesn't sound so bad.

I do wish Sanders would articulate all of this a little better, but people seem to be getting what he's saying anyway.

Sanders represents himself as a "soft" Socialist. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #1
Big American business drove Castro into power Mnpaul Mar 2016 #2
Because Castro has been so great for individual liberty and economics... Trust Buster Mar 2016 #3
Big business hasn't been any better if not worse Mnpaul Mar 2016 #7
"individual liberty", in economics, can only be a right-wing concept Ken Burch Mar 2016 #11
Nope...not in my opinion. Stuart G Mar 2016 #4
His past remarks show that he favors collectivism over individualism. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #6
You must really hate Mnpaul Mar 2016 #10
Castro is not in favor of "we the people". Trust Buster Mar 2016 #15
He pointed out the good things that came out of it Mnpaul Mar 2016 #22
He supports cooperation, not "collectivism" Ken Burch Mar 2016 #12
Proof that Bernie "prefers collectivism over individualism"? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #5
He did and does Trust Buster Mar 2016 #8
Where's the part where he said he prefers "collectivism over individualism"? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #9
Collectivism Mnpaul Mar 2016 #13
Thanks! He's using a dog whistle and I was hoping to flush him out. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #14
Only here to fling poo Mnpaul Mar 2016 #16
It's how Castro did it. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #17
So you're saying that's what Bernie prefers? Suppression of free speech and imprisonment? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #19
beam me up scottie...I think you got it... Stuart G Mar 2016 #23
Wait until Vermont hears about this! beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #26
No, I said that Sanders praised an economic system that included infringement of rights. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #25
And you think Bernie approved of that part? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #30
I think it was the part about "completely transforming society" Trust Buster Mar 2016 #36
You sound like someone who might not belong here... Mr...Trust Buster..eh? Stuart G Mar 2016 #20
You will not be the one to determine where I belong. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #24
Socialism is not ...repeat not...dictatorship.. Stuart G Mar 2016 #28
I too think you are giving us the wrong definition Stuart G Mar 2016 #18
Nothing is truly free. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #21
You mean you think you can milk it. raging moderate Mar 2016 #31
Controling a persons "individuality" is not what Bernie Sanders is about.. Stuart G Mar 2016 #33
That's completely contradictory to everything he has said EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #34
I think it's hard for people over 50 to fathom DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #27
I'm over fifty and understand it completely Mnpaul Mar 2016 #38
Weighing in from the Socialist Progressives group - TBF Mar 2016 #29
It really doesn't matter what type of "socialist" Bernie is ... salinsky Mar 2016 #32
Sadly...you maybe correct... Stuart G Mar 2016 #37
Sort of "Socialism." Really Social Democracy. DirkGently Mar 2016 #35
Next up: Marxism. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #39
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