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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates in Bernie’s Wyoming win [View all]RiverLover
(7,830 posts)54. Yup.
We need to do that.
I see that happening. Many of us do.
Here's Robert Reich, a very cool look into a possible future~
How the Peoples Party Prevailed in 2020
MONDAY, MARCH 21, 2016
Third parties have rarely posed much of a threat to the dominant two parties in America. So how did the Peoples Party win the U.S. presidency and a majority of both houses of Congress in 2020?
It started four years before, with the election of 2016.
As you remember, Donald Trump didnt have enough delegates to become the Republican candidate, so the GOP convention that summer was brokered which meant the Party establishment took control, and nominated the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan.
Trump tried to incite riots but his I deserve to be president because Im the best person in the world! speech incited universal scorn instead, and he slunk off the national stage (his last words, shouted as he got into his stretch limousine, were Fu*ck you, America!)
On the Democratic side, despite a large surge of votes for Bernie Sanders in the final months of the primaries, Hillary Clintons stable of wealthy donors and superdelegates put her over the top.
Both Republican and Democratic political establishments breathed palpable sighs of relief, and congratulated themselves on remaining in control of the nations politics.
They attributed Trumps rise to his fanning of bigotry and xenophobia, and Sanderss popularity to his fueling of left-wing extremism.
They conveniently ignored the deeper anger in both camps about the arbitrariness and unfairness of the economy, and about a political system rigged in favor of the rich and privileged.
And they shut their eyes to the anti-establishment fury that had welled up among independents, young people, poor and middle-class Democrats, and white working-class Republicans.
So they went back to doing what they had been doing before. Establishment Republicans reverted to their old blather about the virtues of the free market, and establishment Democrats returned to their perennial call for incremental reform.
And Wall Street, big corporations, and a handful of billionaires resumed pulling the strings of both parties to make sure regulatory agencies didnt have enough staff to enforce rules, and to pass the Trans Pacific Partnership.
Establishment politicians also arranged to reduce taxes on big corporations and simultaneously increase federal subsidies to them, expand tax loopholes for the wealthy, and cut Social Security and Medicare to pay for it all. (Sadly, we have no choice, said the new President, who had staffed the White House and Treasury with Wall Streeters and corporate lobbyists, and filled boards and commissions with corporate executives).
Meanwhile, most Americans continued to lose ground.
Even before the recession of 2018, most families were earning less than theyd earned in 2000, adjusted for inflation. Businesses continued to shift most employees off their payrolls and into on demand contracts so workers had no idea what theyd be earning from week to week. And the ranks of the working poor continued to swell.
At the same time, CEO pay packages grew even larger, Wall Street bonus pools got fatter, and a record number of billionaires were becoming multi-billionaires.
Then, of course, came the recession, along with bank losses requiring another round of bailouts. The Treasury Secretary, a former managing director of Morgan Stanley, expressed shock and outrage, explaining the nation had no choice and vowing to get tough on the banks once the crisis was over.
Politics abhors a vacuum. In 2019, the Peoples Party filled it.
Its platform called for getting big money out of politics, ending crony capitalism, abolishing corporate welfare, stopping the revolving door between government and the private sector, and busting up the big Wall Street banks and corporate monopolies.
The Peoples Party also pledged to revoke the Trans Pacific Partnership, hike taxes on the rich to pay for a wage subsidy (a vastly expanded Earned Income Tax Credit) for everyone earning below the median, and raise taxes on corporations that outsource jobs abroad or pay their executives more than 100 times the pay of typical Americans.
Americans rallied to the cause. Millions who called themselves conservatives and Tea Partiers joined with millions who called themselves liberals and progressives against a political establishment that had shown itself incapable of hearing what they had been demanding for years.
The rest, as they say, is history.
http://robertreich.org/
MONDAY, MARCH 21, 2016
Third parties have rarely posed much of a threat to the dominant two parties in America. So how did the Peoples Party win the U.S. presidency and a majority of both houses of Congress in 2020?
It started four years before, with the election of 2016.
As you remember, Donald Trump didnt have enough delegates to become the Republican candidate, so the GOP convention that summer was brokered which meant the Party establishment took control, and nominated the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan.
Trump tried to incite riots but his I deserve to be president because Im the best person in the world! speech incited universal scorn instead, and he slunk off the national stage (his last words, shouted as he got into his stretch limousine, were Fu*ck you, America!)
On the Democratic side, despite a large surge of votes for Bernie Sanders in the final months of the primaries, Hillary Clintons stable of wealthy donors and superdelegates put her over the top.
Both Republican and Democratic political establishments breathed palpable sighs of relief, and congratulated themselves on remaining in control of the nations politics.
They attributed Trumps rise to his fanning of bigotry and xenophobia, and Sanderss popularity to his fueling of left-wing extremism.
They conveniently ignored the deeper anger in both camps about the arbitrariness and unfairness of the economy, and about a political system rigged in favor of the rich and privileged.
And they shut their eyes to the anti-establishment fury that had welled up among independents, young people, poor and middle-class Democrats, and white working-class Republicans.
So they went back to doing what they had been doing before. Establishment Republicans reverted to their old blather about the virtues of the free market, and establishment Democrats returned to their perennial call for incremental reform.
And Wall Street, big corporations, and a handful of billionaires resumed pulling the strings of both parties to make sure regulatory agencies didnt have enough staff to enforce rules, and to pass the Trans Pacific Partnership.
Establishment politicians also arranged to reduce taxes on big corporations and simultaneously increase federal subsidies to them, expand tax loopholes for the wealthy, and cut Social Security and Medicare to pay for it all. (Sadly, we have no choice, said the new President, who had staffed the White House and Treasury with Wall Streeters and corporate lobbyists, and filled boards and commissions with corporate executives).
Meanwhile, most Americans continued to lose ground.
Even before the recession of 2018, most families were earning less than theyd earned in 2000, adjusted for inflation. Businesses continued to shift most employees off their payrolls and into on demand contracts so workers had no idea what theyd be earning from week to week. And the ranks of the working poor continued to swell.
At the same time, CEO pay packages grew even larger, Wall Street bonus pools got fatter, and a record number of billionaires were becoming multi-billionaires.
Then, of course, came the recession, along with bank losses requiring another round of bailouts. The Treasury Secretary, a former managing director of Morgan Stanley, expressed shock and outrage, explaining the nation had no choice and vowing to get tough on the banks once the crisis was over.
Politics abhors a vacuum. In 2019, the Peoples Party filled it.
Its platform called for getting big money out of politics, ending crony capitalism, abolishing corporate welfare, stopping the revolving door between government and the private sector, and busting up the big Wall Street banks and corporate monopolies.
The Peoples Party also pledged to revoke the Trans Pacific Partnership, hike taxes on the rich to pay for a wage subsidy (a vastly expanded Earned Income Tax Credit) for everyone earning below the median, and raise taxes on corporations that outsource jobs abroad or pay their executives more than 100 times the pay of typical Americans.
Americans rallied to the cause. Millions who called themselves conservatives and Tea Partiers joined with millions who called themselves liberals and progressives against a political establishment that had shown itself incapable of hearing what they had been demanding for years.
The rest, as they say, is history.
http://robertreich.org/
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Rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates in Bernie’s Wyoming win [View all]
RiverLover
Apr 2016
OP
Ties in raw numbers that effect the delegate count are decided by coin tosses here in Iowa.
stone space
Apr 2016
#11
I'm not talking about supers. Including supers is like including poll results.
stone space
Apr 2016
#56
Your welcome, I only learned of it myself a couple months ago and at first thought "no way"
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#149
I am going to book mark this thread, in order to remind me to work with you on this after the GE
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#151
That's because Bernie is not a corrupt power broker fueled by personal ambition and greed,
Maedhros
Apr 2016
#153
Of the more than 600 surrogate ballots received, 402 went in favor of Clinton and a mere 215 went to
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#16
Agreed. Ask your neighbors if they can get to the polls and if not get them an absentee ballot
Henhouse
Apr 2016
#9
And Hillary has spent her life in Arkansas, or is it Illinois? One never knows with her.
pangaia
Apr 2016
#61
And Hillary moved here solely for the purpose of running for the Senate seat . . .
markpkessinger
Apr 2016
#66
she did a very good job looking after her constituents, and made sure to spend
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#75
Any SD who's an elected official that votes against their state's popular vote...
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2016
#43
I get a Vermont newspaper even though I live in NH, and there have been some very
Vinca
Apr 2016
#49
If we're going to have races based on the popular vote, that's what should be counted.
Vinca
Apr 2016
#41
Oh, believe you me, I'll enjoy coming back here on the 9th to rub their noses in it.
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2016
#40
This is the first election I have ever seen, after 37 yrs, where a 12 point victory was called a tie
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#25
I read an interesting article this am about the consequences of Lesser Evil voting
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#134
First of all, hello to my favorite river enthusiast and dragonfly lover! Second, great article
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#138
I assume like myself, you have seen several election cycles, since well before the internet age
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#136
I don't like caucuses, but it's what some states prefer. The rules were set long ago, so it's not
Hoyt
Apr 2016
#21
The fact that you carp about "the next level" shows how little Camp Sanders cares about democracy
Tarc
Apr 2016
#109
Did he know the party's rules when he decided to latch onto the Democratic Party
Nye Bevan
Apr 2016
#30
If Sanders does manage to get more pledged delegates than Clinton and still ends up
Marr
Apr 2016
#50
Even when people explain the facts, the CT theories persist. It is embarrassing.
bettyellen
Apr 2016
#95
BS. Its the other way around. ie SALON- "10 Ways the Dem Primary Has Been Rigged from the Start"
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#106
People were cool with the system 8 yrs ago, when it worked for Obama. I do not do hypocrisy.
seabeyond
Apr 2016
#96
And if Hillary wins this rigged process, they expect us to vote for her
BernieforPres2016
Apr 2016
#97
I know several states will have marijuana initiatives on their ballots.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2016
#101
You keep telling yourself that. Most Bernie supporters here are lifelong Dems, like me.
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#102
She will lose the general and if not, our congress will grow even more horrid.
CentralCoaster
Apr 2016
#114
Indeed. We are learning fast aren't we?! Let's use our infusion of energy from this to tear the
haikugal
Apr 2016
#105
And DWS says the supers are to make sure there is no grassroots.........peoples vote do not count
bkkyosemite
Apr 2016
#127
Sanders cheerleaders like the rules when it allows them to get more delegates in Nevada
SFnomad
Apr 2016
#156