2016 Postmortem

arendt

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53. This isn't family feud. Just because we have no serious left...

Wed May 11, 2016, 02:36 PM

May 2016

does not make the moderate left we do have into extremists.

Taken to its rhetorical conclusion, the moderate left = communism. And, that is how it has been played since WW2. McGovern was a communist. Carter was a communist. And recently, Obama is a communist.

You mistake rhetoric for reality. You don't make center-left into extreme left by saying its so. You don't make HRC into a progressive by saying she is one.

But, of course, the corporate media have destroyed language, meaning, and logic. Leaving you free to make idiotic statements like this one.

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Mustn't we reevaluate our party since it is is going through a right wing realignment? [View all] Dragonfli May 2016 OP

Hillary and the DNC are not right wing. They are more moderate than you like, that's all. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1

Aiding and abetting the ongoing power grab of Wall St and Corporate Monopolists is not moderate Armstead May 2016 #3

Well Said! Ferd Berfel May 2016 #38

If allowing the people to decide is a CHANGE that reduces profits it may beforbidden by trade policy Baobab May 2016 #44

If TPP is enacted Ferd Berfel May 2016 #90

And bumper-stickers filled with the flavor-of-the-day pejoratives are not arguments. LanternWaste May 2016 #41

Not the flavor of the day Armstead May 2016 #43

And yet funnily enough whatthehey May 2016 #154

The 70's were a mess and the Democrats were trying to figure out what to be Armstead May 2016 #155

So ok Clinton's didn't start it. When should we grab the platform of the *real* Dem party? whatthehey May 2016 #156

There never was a Golden Era....But on balance the Dems had more principles Armstead May 2016 #157

And Clinton and Obama likewise whatthehey May 2016 #158

You're either getting hoodwinked or you're doing the hoodwinking. Broward May 2016 #4

You need to realize what the right wing actually is. CrowCityDem May 2016 #5

The Right wing is pro War ,pro Wall Street, against Single Payer , just like Hillary. bahrbearian May 2016 #8

Bernie voted to remove Saddam, build F-35s, deregulate derivatives. He's a conservative!! CrowCityDem May 2016 #12

Lol and Hillary is a Progressive who like to get things done" Like War, Coups, and Donations bahrbearian May 2016 #16

That kind of stuff is only conservative... TwilightZone May 2016 #17

Remind me of the Vote Bernie made to remove Saddam was It the IRW? bahrbearian May 2016 #21

1999. Authored by Rumsfeld. Made regime change the official US stance. CrowCityDem May 2016 #22

but regime change does not, nor does it always, come through war. Saddam was a Exilednight May 2016 #28

A conservative Democratic Socialist? Twisting political categories to avoid the painful truth about Kip Humphrey May 2016 #26

I'm saying you can't use two positions to determine the whole. CrowCityDem May 2016 #46

Could it be a Democratic supply sider? immoderate May 2016 #9

They are playing their assigned role. Nothing more. arcane1 May 2016 #20

OK , you convinced me. bahrbearian May 2016 #6

And yet you think Bernie and his supporters are fringe Left wing? -none May 2016 #7

Heh. Bernie is just LBJ with a 4-barrel carburetor. Eleanors38 May 2016 #77

I do not support her in the Primary SheenaR May 2016 #10

Comparing us to Europe doesn't work. Different people, differing issues. CrowCityDem May 2016 #11

I disagree with you SheenaR May 2016 #13

Bernie is the center? Who in this country is to his left? CrowCityDem May 2016 #18

I didn't say center SheenaR May 2016 #23

We don't live in vaccuums. CrowCityDem May 2016 #45

This isn't family feud. Just because we have no serious left... arendt May 2016 #53

If there is no, as you put it, serious left, the center is not where you think it is. CrowCityDem May 2016 #58

If left,right, and center mean different things in different places, they are meaningless words. arendt May 2016 #63

I didn't say the center's 'ok', just that it's the center. Center is a measurement, not a philosophy CrowCityDem May 2016 #66

A measurement is not a policy. arendt May 2016 #69

Liberal is immediately to the left of center. Conservative immediately to the right AgingAmerican May 2016 #106

There are 3 centres. The center between the Republicans and the Democrats. And then the two Seeinghope May 2016 #116

We have anti-business leftists who oppose capitalism. senz May 2016 #78

The American center isn't far enough left. forjusticethunders May 2016 #34

Well, can't say you're wrong. Chris Hedges agrees with you. arendt May 2016 #54

I want a left that: forjusticethunders May 2016 #84

First off, read history as to why that has happened nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #86

"The Turner Raids" Sparkly May 2016 #130

1917 nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #145

There is some overlap in our positions, but... arendt May 2016 #126

Tell us how you really feel forjusticethunders May 2016 #128

The issues are real. Identity politics is the wrong approach. arendt May 2016 #138

"no rule as to when", not "no real as to when" n/t arendt May 2016 #139

Minefield ahead...oh well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #151

When we're past racism and sexism, that might make sense. Sparkly May 2016 #131

IP is not going to get us past racism arendt May 2016 #140

This. All of this. vintx May 2016 #132

From where you stand that is, she looks lefty to you All in it together May 2016 #29

Pro fracking AgingAmerican May 2016 #31

Not to mention... Ferd Berfel May 2016 #39

also not to mention, bvar22 May 2016 #95

translation; Ferd Berfel May 2016 #98

"Corporations are Free at last!" reddread May 2016 #159

+1 Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #36

They are Right Wing by definition, their goals and their actions, their only "moderation" lies in Dragonfli May 2016 #40

That's fine. It doesn't change that Hillary is to the left of TODAY'S center. CrowCityDem May 2016 #49

I disagree, besides, you are CHANGING DEFINITION AGAIN did you not read the polls that refute even Dragonfli May 2016 #52

Since there is no set philosophy from the "center party", of course I meant the center of our two. CrowCityDem May 2016 #56

More rhetorical bullshit arendt May 2016 #55

Jim Crow used to be 'centrist' policy. Politics changes with time. CrowCityDem May 2016 #59

Who cares. Jim Crow was heinous wherever on your phony L/R/C scale you put it. arendt May 2016 #71

I'm not defending anything. CrowCityDem May 2016 #72

I don't think there are "center" policies. arendt May 2016 #73

So you can't define the center, and yet it can never shift? Yeah, that's a solid argument. CrowCityDem May 2016 #75

It doesn't shift because it doesn't exist/ arendt May 2016 #76

OMG!!!! Not "Goodbye FOREVER". Crushing blow. nt COLGATE4 May 2016 #101

At least you tried. Reality doesn't matter cause they're with her. nt vintx May 2016 #133

They appear to have constructed their own reality, it really is quite fascinating in a detached way Dragonfli May 2016 #143

There is no such thing as 'todays' center AgingAmerican May 2016 #107

Actually what it does not change is that HRC nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #146

Yeah, because that platform... CrowCityDem May 2016 #150

Because of actions like pushing for trade agreements that benefit nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #153

Here is an objective, unbiased analysis from politicalcompass.org tabasco May 2016 #47

That compares us to Europe. I'm talking about American politics. CrowCityDem May 2016 #48

Again, this is the equivalent of "moral relativism" arendt May 2016 #61

Everything is relative. CrowCityDem May 2016 #64

Fine. Then, from where I stand, you are a complete propagandist. arendt May 2016 #70

We actually have an active communist party in the United States nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #85

"And political science paradigms are not dependent on relative things." Thank you for stating that. Dragonfli May 2016 #120

You welcome and RWers used to do this as well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #144

Right versus left are universal standards, not "U.S. standards" tabasco May 2016 #74

No, that puts our politics in a standard political science structure nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #82

Political science is not that malleable nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #79

What does "Moderate" mean? AgingAmerican May 2016 #105

They're moderate all right - LiberalElite May 2016 #161

This genie is out of the bottle... this party will change forever when Sanders is denied yourpaljoey May 2016 #2

The timid and Republican lite Democrats simply create a bigger monster Republican Party all the time highprincipleswork May 2016 #14

Our party is indergoing a left-wing realignment. Long overdue. n/t Orsino May 2016 #15

??? With Hillary leading the party? BillZBubb May 2016 #30

Despite Clinton's likely win. Orsino May 2016 #33

That's right. Not all at once, but it is already underway. And now that Sanders has silvershadow May 2016 #57

my hope Fairgo May 2016 #81

I disagree. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #147

It's still happening to our party. Orsino May 2016 #148

There is a nasty sub rosa conflict nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #149

Recommended! H2O Man May 2016 #19

Any compliment from you I consider high praise as your posts have always been so well thought out Dragonfli May 2016 #42

My thanks to both of you, both of you organize your thoughts and write them down mrdmk May 2016 #99

H2O and Dragon... Optimism May 2016 #115

Excellent job you two. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author potisok May 2016 #51

Liberal and progressive ideals are much, much more important than the Party. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #24

Just because Bernie gets support from primarily white voters in conservative areas ... Onlooker May 2016 #25

The Democratic Party started to leave me when I was told it was a big tent that included Rick djean111 May 2016 #27

I came to the conclusion that the democratic party is not my party so I left it. Autumn May 2016 #32

This is the Party's strategy: Maedhros May 2016 #109

Jamie Dimon whipping votes on the Senate floor at Obama's behest was the final straw. Autumn May 2016 #111

I left in 2009 or so, came back for Bernie, will leave ASAP. Maedhros May 2016 #114

Barney Frank, Wall Street banker, in charge of DNC rules committe? amborin May 2016 #35

Laughable and insulting Dem2 May 2016 #37

LOL!! "Right wing realignment" Sparkly May 2016 #50

I think it is going through a "progressive vs. elitist" realignment even more than a "right vs. left Attorney in Texas May 2016 #60

That sounds about right to me! Seeinghope May 2016 #117

Better idea: The losers could start their own party. The majority wins in this Country. Lil Missy May 2016 #62

Right, and I can start my own car company in my garage. arendt May 2016 #67

Take heart. They may take the radical step of redesigning the donut logo and.... Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #65

I've decided I will no longer aid and abet the rightward drift of the party by voting for DINOs. Arugula Latte May 2016 #68

++ Vincardog May 2016 #93

Remember the day when it was Democrats that were blocking women from voting? ViseGrip May 2016 #80

and another three general party realignments. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #87

Not sure many want to question it. oldandhappy May 2016 #83

Seems like you should have done some introspection about the 'revolution' -BEFORE the 'revolution'. randome May 2016 #88

Great post! K&R Sky Masterson May 2016 #89

K&R We need representation, period. felix_numinous May 2016 #91

I have to admit that I stopped registering Democrat after Bill Clinton's first term. bjo59 May 2016 #92

MEGACHURCH MOMS! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #94

Excellent Essay, Dragonfli bvar22 May 2016 #96

I'm sure you were quite pleased with my FDR quote in response to a sock that claims that Hillary Dragonfli May 2016 #110

this sure ain't the party of elana i am May 2016 #113

I ask myself that every time I visit this site now vintx May 2016 #134

Good post we should have had this conversation after the conservative Clinton administration. I am Todays_Illusion May 2016 #97

Well said! Dark n Stormy Knight May 2016 #100

So Long, Centrist Democrats BlueStateLib May 2016 #102

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #103

you had the chance to 're-align' the party bigtree May 2016 #104

I did not, nor have ever wished to realign the party as a Right wing fiscal party that Resembles Dragonfli May 2016 #108

you sure talk some twaddle bigtree May 2016 #122

Pretty long winded answer tio dance your way out of falsely claiming I wanted a party realignment Dragonfli May 2016 #135

So basically you're saying that you reject reality and substitute it with your own? vintx May 2016 #137

Yes we must. Optimism May 2016 #112

Another OUTSTANDING OP Dragonfli! 2banon May 2016 #118

You are most welcome, all I do is simply speak my mind, I have payed attention for decades /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #119

Yes, I believe Bernie supporters are probably the most highly informed of the entire electorate. 2banon May 2016 #127

Call me a "moderate" for saying this if you will, but... moriah May 2016 #121

K&R.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #123

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2016 #124

THIS is what so many Democrats today don't grok. At ALL. Triana May 2016 #125

So incredibly well thought out, I wish more people saw this dynamic for what it is. vintx May 2016 #129

Thank you so much for this thread. myrna minx May 2016 #136

It is not a "right wing alignment." It is a right (as in correct) alignment. The days of just Jitter65 May 2016 #141

You didn't read the OP, it is coming from politicians and corporate "think tanks" Dragonfli May 2016 #142

Yes, we must. LWolf May 2016 #160