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Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
87. I respect your long history as a Democrat. I think it's time to throw Big Money back into...
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:24 AM
May 2016

...the Republican Party where it belongs. But that is not my only objection to Hillary Clinton--the half a billion dollars she took from the financial industry for "speeches."

You say Clinton's "policies are aligned with my beliefs." I would ask, do you really know what Clinton's policies are? She whirls around like one of the old toy tops we used to play with. And just when you think you have her pinned down, she jumps out of the jumping jack box with a surprise, like she did with the Colombia/U.S. "free trade" agreement, and will do with the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)--both really, really bad trade agreements that will decimate this country while not doing any good for the poor in the other countries. These agreements are "free trade for the rich."

Or like she did with Honduras and Libya, after apologizing for her vote for Bush's Iraq War. She's done this on "free trade for the rich" agreements, on abortion rights, on gay rights, on the minimum wage, on single payer health care, on almost any issue you can name. For it, then against; against it, then for it, depending on how the wind is blowing, and probably on donations to the Clinton Foundation.

And some of these matters are heartbreakers and tragedies--Honduras, for instance, where Clinton, as Secretary of State, supported a fascist coup that destroyed Honduran democracy (she admits it in one of her emails), and where the women leading the pro-democracy and environmental movements there are being systematically raped and murdered by fascist death squads.

One of these women was murdered in her bed just this March. Her name was Berta Caceras, an indigenous woman activist on the environment, winner of the Goldman Environmental Prize, and an anti-coup activist, who named Hillary Clinton as the one responsible for the fascist coup in her country before she was murdered. Clinton's strong support for the fascist government, including funding them with our tax dollars, has encouraged and enabled them to commit these atrocities.

Clinton is all apologies over Iraq, then she turns around and does this to Honduras, and then, in an even worse way, to Libya, where we can be sure that thousands of women are being brutalized, raped and murdered in the chaos there, and with the rise of the IS jihadists in the vacuum of power that Clinton helped to create.

Like a spinning top, she wants credit for apologizing for Bush-Cheney's "shock and awe" bombing of tens of thousands of innocent people in Iraq--as if her apologies could erase that horror--but she keeps doing it, inflicting chaos on other lands.

Honduras and Libya are among my main objections to Hillary Clinton. She engineered these disasters. The latter is called "Hillary's War" in Washington DC. But nobody much mentions Honduras. No oil, I guess.

That's why I ask, do you really know what her policies are? I admit it's hard to know, with all her happy talk. But I've gone to some trouble to find out, and it's not good. She now has Henry Kissinger as a friend and advisor (Henry Kissinger!) and Robert Kagan, designer of Cheney-Rumsfeld's blueprint for world domination ("The Project For A New American Century"--the infamous bible of the Neo-Cons).

It may be that you formed your opinion of Clinton early on, before there was much known about her activities as Secretary of State, or about the Clinton Foundation. And I suspect that, whatever you thought Hillary Clinton was, when you first formed an opinion about her, she has changed and changed in a very bad direction. She is a Neo-Con now, a war advocate. And she is basically a Republican now, funded by Big Money and beholden to Big Money.

I presume that you have a good heart and an open mind since you are a "born" Democrat. That's almost my definition of a Democrat, born or otherwise. So I just ask that you do some research, and ask yourself if you really know what Clinton's policies are, and whether or not you really agree with them.

Rachel Maddow just did a large segment on this, recommended viewing. nt BootinUp May 2016 #1
Fact based and everything? DURHAM D May 2016 #3
Thanks. No MSM for me but glad they are noticing. oldandhappy May 2016 #83
what hysterical accusations are those sweetie? DURHAM D May 2016 #2
MOTS ... SSDD NurseJackie May 2016 #9
"Sweetie"? Scootaloo May 2016 #31
. NCTraveler May 2016 #44
I always was quite enamored when a particular poster called others opinions boston bean May 2016 #47
I thought that ship sailed a while ago, especially with the Millennials. merrily May 2016 #4
45% of Millennials voted republican 2014 BlueStateLib May 2016 #46
Attracting them may have been good for the future of the Democratic Party. merrily May 2016 #68
Very delayed reaction: I don't think that can be right, but, if so, what is your point? merrily May 2016 #73
More and more every day, elleng May 2016 #5
I haven't heard any hysterical accusations, although be careful, that word is often associated eastwestdem May 2016 #6
Why warn Cali to be careful about sexists comments? notadmblnd May 2016 #17
Thank you for letting us know. hrmjustin May 2016 #7
It just gets worse aspirant May 2016 #32
Recommended! H2O Man May 2016 #8
Does it hinge on the national convention? casperthegm May 2016 #10
Nope. Because it's far too late. jeff47 May 2016 #13
So what's next? casperthegm May 2016 #15
Read up on the Whigs. jeff47 May 2016 #22
That's depressing casperthegm May 2016 #23
That is actually a quite optimistic reading of the situation. The alternative Jemmons May 2016 #86
I wish you'd flesh this out and make it an OP. Fawke Em May 2016 #28
That is quite the impressive estimation chwaliszewski May 2016 #63
They shoved Hillary down our throats mindwalker_i May 2016 #27
Considering Republicans will /never/ support my interests, and third parties are currently pointless VulgarPoet May 2016 #52
Agree, the coming years will get very ugly. Katashi_itto May 2016 #81
It is Sanders himself to needs to the mending. riversedge May 2016 #55
No, he will likely not be the nominee. So it's all on Hillary. Katashi_itto May 2016 #82
Saw a cartoon on the daily cartoons here on DU of two jwirr May 2016 #11
Of course you don't Zorro May 2016 #12
You are correct. ciaobaby May 2016 #14
you nailed it with guilt vote. they discovered that the Exilednight May 2016 #40
They didn't screw up - it's intentional. CanadaexPat May 2016 #16
I think that is their intent. They want to put progressives back on the margins where we have been corkhead May 2016 #18
They have been attacking Bernie supporters from day one. And it hasn't stopped. They jillan May 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog May 2016 #24
And I don't think that they should. Maedhros May 2016 #20
Neocon Foreign Policy = Neocon Domestic Policy PADemD May 2016 #93
We will come together. wisteria May 2016 #21
lol pengu May 2016 #66
You don't honestly believe that hogswollop you just posted, do you? Art_from_Ark May 2016 #91
She and the rest of the establishment (rich corporate) dems will try to reconstitute it with Doctor_J May 2016 #25
Our Party is just fine. You can't whine about closed primaries out of one side of your mouth just Trust Buster May 2016 #26
Um... those two issues are the same thing. Fawke Em May 2016 #29
But counting Independents as part of the Democratic Party is not. Trust Buster May 2016 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #59
You don't seem to realize what's happened to the Democratic Party... Peace Patriot May 2016 #35
Your observations of Clinton are really, really insightful. Thanks! reformist2 May 2016 #37
Great post. Dem establishment is playing Game of Thrones as the peasants storm the gates Teamster Jeff May 2016 #39
I am a "Born Democrat". auntpurl May 2016 #41
K&R +1 redstateblues May 2016 #77
I respect your long history as a Democrat. I think it's time to throw Big Money back into... Peace Patriot May 2016 #87
Exactly, exactly right. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #75
Wow, that's poweful stuff Mike__M May 2016 #84
+1,000 Skwmom May 2016 #85
The kids didn't get their way. Renew Deal May 2016 #33
Ya. That's the problem... think May 2016 #36
and they will blame it on Bernie and his supporters. nt antigop May 2016 #34
The number of people that feel alienated from the Dem Party is only going to increase. nt Bonobo May 2016 #38
I believe that is the wishful thinking of some. NCTraveler May 2016 #42
Bernie's legacy, President Trump BlueStateLib May 2016 #43
Baloney! President Trump will be Hillary's legacy adigal May 2016 #48
When I see exit polls showing that 30% of Bernie's voters plan to vote for Trump BlueStateLib May 2016 #50
Um, really? mac56 May 2016 #51
I wish its was a skewed poll BlueStateLib May 2016 #61
That Hillary hasn't made a case? She needs to get serious about jobs adigal May 2016 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #60
Ralph Nader lite- Many Trump enablers on this site redstateblues May 2016 #78
That ship left the harbor I'm afraid. mmonk May 2016 #45
This is the woman who famously bragged that she told Wall Street to "cut it out." mac56 May 2016 #49
The blame is on Sanders himself and his vile fans! They need to stop the intimidation and riversedge May 2016 #53
Partly agree... Mike Nelson May 2016 #56
people have choice....have trump in charge or a democrat in charge vote or don't vote beachbum bob May 2016 #57
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #62
I don't think the party is busted up. I think some people are just throwing a temper tantrum. boston bean May 2016 #58
Great uniting attitude.... Madam Mossfern May 2016 #67
What accusations? apcalc May 2016 #64
"hysterical accusations" ... coming from a Bernie supporter, that's rich. JoePhilly May 2016 #65
One more gone DI Freighter Watcher May 2016 #69
they have nothing to offer and nothing likeable about them MisterP May 2016 #70
There is little interest in uniting the Democratic Party. JEB May 2016 #71
Can't shoehorn people into the Party that were never part of the Party to begin with. baldguy May 2016 #72
Cali you are right. Only Bernie can do that inside that party or another. ViseGrip May 2016 #74
No he can't AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #76
I don't think it should be put back together. Maedhros May 2016 #79
^ this, 100% ^ Myrina May 2016 #80
They broke it, they bought it. frustrated_lefty May 2016 #88
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #89
Here's the thing. frustrated_lefty May 2016 #90
The Dem party is missing out and excluding a whole generation of people who ... slipslidingaway May 2016 #92
I doubt they can, I doubt they care enough to try to put it back together again. Autumn May 2016 #94
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