2016 Postmortem

Algernon Moncrieff

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58. It's not crap if it's true. My dad worked hard, got educated, and did well

Thu May 26, 2016, 09:34 PM

May 2016

On the other hand, my maternal grandfather had anger management issues, a gambling issue, and didn't hold down the same job for more than 5 years at a time. It's a miracle my mom got out of that without being completely screwed up.

My point is my dad doesn't owe FDR a living. Your mileage may vary.

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Anyone here who directly benefited from or was the child of a middle class person during the 50s-70s [View all] AZ Progressive May 2016 OP

Whenever I'm asked why I support Bernie Sanders, my answer is " 'cause FDR isn't running" MgtPA May 2016 #1

New Deal program exclusions no one ever mentions. brush May 2016 #2

Truman and LBJ fought for civil rights AZ Progressive May 2016 #3

No doubt, but we were talking about FDR's New Deal programs. brush May 2016 #4

then check into eleanor roguevalley May 2016 #86

Eleanor was very cool, FDR felt he had to curry favor with the Dixiecrats though brush May 2016 #87

You cats are all about incrementalism. FDR started the ball rolling. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #106

See post 103 in this thread. brush May 2016 #109

You're conflating two different issues. Social vs. economic. snowy owl May 2016 #130

Maybe some have the privilege of looking at them seperately . . . brush May 2016 #139

if things were so great in the 50s, why did we need the Great Society programs onenote May 2016 #145

Truman less so on economics. See Henry Wallace. Also Lewis Powell-below snowy owl May 2016 #132

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Perhaps it's because blacks always end up at the back of the line politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #22

Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. There is racism on the left too, where there shouldn't be. brush May 2016 #40

Lemme get this straight.... Armstead May 2016 #89

What the hell does that have to do with noting racism on the left . . . brush May 2016 #90

You said the Liberal advances of FDR suck because they were racist Armstead May 2016 #92

It's always that way — they were great programs but we had to sacrifice blacks brush May 2016 #95

It sucked....But that was a product of the times Armstead May 2016 #99

No one was trying to marginalize anything happening today. brush May 2016 #103

Well I think the vast majority of..... Armstead May 2016 #104

Good thoughtful post. Thanks. brush May 2016 #107

We like democracy and credit the Athenians for bringing it to us in spite of the fact that only Ed Suspicious May 2016 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #43

Give it a rest. I was correcting, for the record, that AAs were excluded from New Deal programs brush May 2016 #33

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Hey, I'm not in any intellectual contest with you. brush May 2016 #51

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I don't disagree with that. Sanders is just not the one. He can't beat Hillary. brush May 2016 #57

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Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. brush May 2016 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #68

Oh stop. You're no dummy. You know it's over. The math, remember? brush May 2016 #69

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"Neoliberalism actively seeks the dismantling of the New Deal" 2banon May 2016 #146

And that is why most on DU *used to* despise neoliberalism, new democrats, triangulation, etc. vintx May 2016 #165

Please define his Marxist Trotskyite baggage Armstead May 2016 #91

Google it. It's naive to think repugs won't go back 25 years to include that baggage . . . brush May 2016 #97

Thats already baked in Armstead May 2016 #100

Islamic militant I've heard. Commie lesbian is new to me. Funny in it's way brush May 2016 #101

It doesn't make it into the more genteel public portions of the RW Armstead May 2016 #102

Commie lesbian sounds like the biggest, perverted oxymoron going in commie land. brush May 2016 #105

I would guess that behind closed doors anything goes in commie land Armstead May 2016 #108

Oh yeah, that's right. We're talking about repugs, with their "wide stances" . . . brush May 2016 #111

huh? did you forget to use the "sarcasm" thingy? 2banon May 2016 #147

I think you responded to the wrong person. brush May 2016 #159

Thank you for the clairification 2banon May 2016 #161

Gosh when I was a little girl the same was said about a Catholic! Silver_Witch May 2016 #117

Everyone has benefitted FlaGranny May 2016 #162

The programs were good, not the great, flawless ideal to put on a pedestal of perfect . . . brush May 2016 #169

Of course, you're right FlaGranny May 2016 #170

Very true brush May 2016 #171

There were disturbing qualities FlaGranny May 2016 #172

Anybody who is able to buy it can get it. Thats the Democratic party today, race matters little Baobab May 2016 #160

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There is no excuse to exclude blacks in a 21st century update of the PufPuf23 May 2016 #38

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You can't expand a program to include jobs commonly done by black people unless it exists-- eridani May 2016 #112

It's not particularly relevant when talking about Bernie Sanders in 2016 Scootaloo May 2016 #152

WTH are you talking about? No one is insinuating anything. Try re-reading the post . . . brush May 2016 #158

Don't try to bullshit me, Brush. Scootaloo May 2016 #166

And what game is that? I'm a Clinton supporter. Apparently you support Sanders. brush May 2016 #168

Bernie Sanders peggysue2 May 2016 #5

Bernie is not a socialist AZ Progressive May 2016 #6

The label was self-chosen. TwilightZone May 2016 #7

The self-chosen label is "Democratic-socialist", not socialist. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #9

You should learn something about your candidate. TwilightZone May 2016 #11

Tell that to socialist organizations in America AZ Progressive May 2016 #14

Somebody better tell Bernie Sanders. TwilightZone May 2016 #19

I guess someone can claim they are a Christian even if they don't believe in Jesus... AZ Progressive May 2016 #21

Oh, Sanders believes in socialism. TwilightZone May 2016 #26

Reminds me of Democrats here being able to be Democrats even though their policy views... AZ Progressive May 2016 #36

It's not the 80s anymore. TwilightZone May 2016 #65

And the 80s was such a great decade for Americans... AZ Progressive May 2016 #66

Seriously? ms liberty May 2016 #156

Bernie may be no Socialist(and he's not), but he's doing a great service for Socialism Hydra May 2016 #64

He only changed it to Democratic socialist when he joined the party to run for president brush May 2016 #46

That is utter bullshit. Dawgs May 2016 #75

I've listened to Thom Hartman's radio show for years. brush May 2016 #78

Self avowed sounds more like what the pundits defined him. timmymoff May 2016 #96

Those capitalists called him a socialist and worse because jwirr May 2016 #44

FDR took the New Deal concepts from Norman Thomas in 1932. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #155

That is correct. FDR ran the first time as conservative Democrat. jwirr May 2016 #163

And people still wonder why this campaign is a hard sell for black voters Recursion May 2016 #10

I'm talking to the white Hillary supporters here AZ Progressive May 2016 #12

Ask a Clinton supporter; I have no idea Recursion May 2016 #16

During the Clinton admin blacks... awe fuck it, yaw've heard this a million times and still don't.. uponit7771 May 2016 #18

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #13

Uhm, I don't think AZ is white eom Arazi May 2016 #17

And? (nt) Recursion May 2016 #20

Seemed like you were painting AZ as tone deaf Arazi May 2016 #24

AZ doesn't have to do anything; I thought this was a pretty clear example Recursion May 2016 #25

Well AZ, a POC, obviously didn't see it that way. POC are not monolithic eom Arazi May 2016 #32

Nor is he/she required to; people aren't all alike Recursion May 2016 #35

You do understand FDR purposefully set out to exclude black folks from these benefits right? uponit7771 May 2016 #15

And yet FDR issued an executive order creating the FEPC AZ Progressive May 2016 #28

You're leaving out some of FDR's legacy CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #39

He didn't support an anti-lynching bill because he wanted the support wildeyed May 2016 #60

Agreed. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #62

That makes LBJ's civil rights accomplishments even more impressive, given that . . . brush May 2016 #67

LBJ would be widely remembered as a GREAT man, wildeyed May 2016 #74

Agreed. Vietnam tarnished his accomplishments somewhat . . . brush May 2016 #79

No, but I will put it on my list. wildeyed May 2016 #81

I'll put the Branch volumes on my list. Thanks for that info. brush May 2016 #85

BTW, why do Hillary supporters act like only white people would benefit from economic progressivism? AZ Progressive May 2016 #34

Because that's been what's invariably happened in the past Recursion May 2016 #37

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #42

Economic Progressivism is not just benefits, its also about fighting against big corporations AZ Progressive May 2016 #47

Except for the ones who were caught up in Clinton's huge expansion of the prison population n/t eridani May 2016 #114

We have Sanders to think for that uponit7771 May 2016 #142

He called black youth superpredators? eridani May 2016 #144

no he didn't and only stupid ass'd, small farm animal loving racist think the term is exclusives to uponit7771 May 2016 #148

Superpredators is just as obvious as Willie Horton. eridani May 2016 #149

People who think the term is exclusives to blacks fucks road kill on hot days when no one is looking uponit7771 May 2016 #150

It sure the hell was in the case of a crime bill. Black people aren't the only people who commit-- eridani May 2016 #154

Let's be fair, FDR made that compromise because if he doesn't then the Dixiecrats torpedo the entire forjusticethunders May 2016 #134

I support Bernie Sanders because I benefited from they system and I don't want to pull the ladder up DookDook May 2016 #23

Good point. But the lifestyle they inherited got socked into the Republican con called 401Ks. Now WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #27

Exactly what of FDR's greatest policies is Clinton threatening? Hoyt May 2016 #29

FDR supported Free Trade and got it passed, too. tirebiter May 2016 #30

You think FDR would have supported shipping manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China? AZ Progressive May 2016 #31

And Truman's and JFK and LBJ Doctor_J May 2016 #41

Economically progressive Democratic presidents AZ Progressive May 2016 #48

Correctomondo! And once the repugs get in they institute policies that favor . . . brush May 2016 #138

My middle class lifestyle because my father got a Masters degree and worked a lot of 12 hour days Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #45

My father worked a lot of 12 hour days as well as a construction worker. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #55

It's not crap if it's true. My dad worked hard, got educated, and did well Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #58

It sounds like you are implying that anyone who isn't successful must be because they wouldn't work liberal_at_heart May 2016 #61

+10000 eom Arazi May 2016 #73

What? Democrats can't work hard and do well? Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #88

Well, someone forgot to tell us it's all about you. kcr May 2016 #98

It's about the OP, which is untrue and insulting Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #127

No many can't pinebox May 2016 #116

Don't forget L.B.J. who Hillary campaigned against. Downwinder May 2016 #52

I was thinking about our middle class life way back then. No going out to eat but rarely, seabeyond May 2016 #53

I was raised in middle class home in the in the 50s and 60s. What was called middle class doc03 May 2016 #54

I sure did. Early 60s hospital as a kid, in todays dollars, about 250k, back then, 0. litlbilly May 2016 #70

I'm working with a team that wants to re-animate FDR postatomic May 2016 #71

You really think FDR would be against Bernie? AZ Progressive May 2016 #76

I know quite a bit about FDR postatomic May 2016 #80

FDR reminds me more of Bill Clinton than Bernie Sanders. wildeyed May 2016 #82

Very good analogy postatomic May 2016 #83

FDR got much more than 50% of the vote n/t eridani May 2016 #113

FDR lied about a blowjob from an intern in the Oval Office and Visited Orgy Island? TheSarcastinator May 2016 #119

FDR lied about his sex life. wildeyed May 2016 #122

In other words, FDR was just pretending to be an economic progressive? AZ Progressive May 2016 #128

Except the part where he didn't win the nomination. wildeyed May 2016 #143

Damn straight. Absolutely right on. Completely agree. bjo59 May 2016 #77

That's quite a stretch, trying to compare FDR to Sanders, procon May 2016 #84

Who exactly is "bashing Bernie" on his policy positons? JoePhilly May 2016 #93

K & R AzDar May 2016 #94

No, it's unrealistic for the richest country on the planet to do what all those other countries do. Scuba May 2016 #115

Right? Health care is a luxury only hte richest of nations can afford! Scootaloo May 2016 #153

Agreed colsohlibgal May 2016 #118

The owners and investors of the military industrial complex One of the 99 May 2016 #120

Japanese Americans colsohlibgal May 2016 #121

And Bill Clinton's Iraq sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of children AZ Progressive May 2016 #124

Who said I'm supporting the Clintons? One of the 99 May 2016 #133

Great point Time for change May 2016 #123

K&R Spot On! B Calm May 2016 #125

Odd. Those that claim FDR's programs as Democratic Socialist are now bashing those same programs. tonyt53 May 2016 #126

bernie is no FDR DrDan May 2016 #129

Well, PoC that are bashingBernie and his economic progressive platform ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #131

The difference is that FDR was one of the first pols to even listen to black people forjusticethunders May 2016 #135

And, I might add, they are standing in the way of progress, the fight for equality. cui bono May 2016 #136

The race is over as is the time to discuss this. nt stevenleser May 2016 #137

lol - we'll see how it goes in CA and at the convention vintx May 2016 #164

Yep. Absolutely dead on! KPN May 2016 #140

I did. I was. And I support Bernie Sanders and that's WHY. n/t Triana May 2016 #141

We didn't know how easy we had it. senz May 2016 #151

I love FDR and you're right... ms liberty May 2016 #157