2016 Postmortem

FlaGranny

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170. Of course, you're right

Sun May 29, 2016, 10:06 AM

May 2016

but without those programs of FDR? Then Johnson? Without the two of them where would we be today? This backward country would be far more backward than it is.

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Anyone here who directly benefited from or was the child of a middle class person during the 50s-70s [View all] AZ Progressive May 2016 OP

Whenever I'm asked why I support Bernie Sanders, my answer is " 'cause FDR isn't running" MgtPA May 2016 #1

New Deal program exclusions no one ever mentions. brush May 2016 #2

Truman and LBJ fought for civil rights AZ Progressive May 2016 #3

No doubt, but we were talking about FDR's New Deal programs. brush May 2016 #4

then check into eleanor roguevalley May 2016 #86

Eleanor was very cool, FDR felt he had to curry favor with the Dixiecrats though brush May 2016 #87

You cats are all about incrementalism. FDR started the ball rolling. Ed Suspicious May 2016 #106

See post 103 in this thread. brush May 2016 #109

You're conflating two different issues. Social vs. economic. snowy owl May 2016 #130

Maybe some have the privilege of looking at them seperately . . . brush May 2016 #139

if things were so great in the 50s, why did we need the Great Society programs onenote May 2016 #145

Truman less so on economics. See Henry Wallace. Also Lewis Powell-below snowy owl May 2016 #132

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Perhaps it's because blacks always end up at the back of the line politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #22

Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. There is racism on the left too, where there shouldn't be. brush May 2016 #40

Lemme get this straight.... Armstead May 2016 #89

What the hell does that have to do with noting racism on the left . . . brush May 2016 #90

You said the Liberal advances of FDR suck because they were racist Armstead May 2016 #92

It's always that way — they were great programs but we had to sacrifice blacks brush May 2016 #95

It sucked....But that was a product of the times Armstead May 2016 #99

No one was trying to marginalize anything happening today. brush May 2016 #103

Well I think the vast majority of..... Armstead May 2016 #104

Good thoughtful post. Thanks. brush May 2016 #107

We like democracy and credit the Athenians for bringing it to us in spite of the fact that only Ed Suspicious May 2016 #110

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Give it a rest. I was correcting, for the record, that AAs were excluded from New Deal programs brush May 2016 #33

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Hey, I'm not in any intellectual contest with you. brush May 2016 #51

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I don't disagree with that. Sanders is just not the one. He can't beat Hillary. brush May 2016 #57

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Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. brush May 2016 #63

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Oh stop. You're no dummy. You know it's over. The math, remember? brush May 2016 #69

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"Neoliberalism actively seeks the dismantling of the New Deal" 2banon May 2016 #146

And that is why most on DU *used to* despise neoliberalism, new democrats, triangulation, etc. vintx May 2016 #165

Please define his Marxist Trotskyite baggage Armstead May 2016 #91

Google it. It's naive to think repugs won't go back 25 years to include that baggage . . . brush May 2016 #97

Thats already baked in Armstead May 2016 #100

Islamic militant I've heard. Commie lesbian is new to me. Funny in it's way brush May 2016 #101

It doesn't make it into the more genteel public portions of the RW Armstead May 2016 #102

Commie lesbian sounds like the biggest, perverted oxymoron going in commie land. brush May 2016 #105

I would guess that behind closed doors anything goes in commie land Armstead May 2016 #108

Oh yeah, that's right. We're talking about repugs, with their "wide stances" . . . brush May 2016 #111

huh? did you forget to use the "sarcasm" thingy? 2banon May 2016 #147

I think you responded to the wrong person. brush May 2016 #159

Thank you for the clairification 2banon May 2016 #161

Gosh when I was a little girl the same was said about a Catholic! Silver_Witch May 2016 #117

Everyone has benefitted FlaGranny May 2016 #162

The programs were good, not the great, flawless ideal to put on a pedestal of perfect . . . brush May 2016 #169

Of course, you're right FlaGranny May 2016 #170

Very true brush May 2016 #171

There were disturbing qualities FlaGranny May 2016 #172

Anybody who is able to buy it can get it. Thats the Democratic party today, race matters little Baobab May 2016 #160

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There is no excuse to exclude blacks in a 21st century update of the PufPuf23 May 2016 #38

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You can't expand a program to include jobs commonly done by black people unless it exists-- eridani May 2016 #112

It's not particularly relevant when talking about Bernie Sanders in 2016 Scootaloo May 2016 #152

WTH are you talking about? No one is insinuating anything. Try re-reading the post . . . brush May 2016 #158

Don't try to bullshit me, Brush. Scootaloo May 2016 #166

And what game is that? I'm a Clinton supporter. Apparently you support Sanders. brush May 2016 #168

Bernie Sanders peggysue2 May 2016 #5

Bernie is not a socialist AZ Progressive May 2016 #6

The label was self-chosen. TwilightZone May 2016 #7

The self-chosen label is "Democratic-socialist", not socialist. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #9

You should learn something about your candidate. TwilightZone May 2016 #11

Tell that to socialist organizations in America AZ Progressive May 2016 #14

Somebody better tell Bernie Sanders. TwilightZone May 2016 #19

I guess someone can claim they are a Christian even if they don't believe in Jesus... AZ Progressive May 2016 #21

Oh, Sanders believes in socialism. TwilightZone May 2016 #26

Reminds me of Democrats here being able to be Democrats even though their policy views... AZ Progressive May 2016 #36

It's not the 80s anymore. TwilightZone May 2016 #65

And the 80s was such a great decade for Americans... AZ Progressive May 2016 #66

Seriously? ms liberty May 2016 #156

Bernie may be no Socialist(and he's not), but he's doing a great service for Socialism Hydra May 2016 #64

He only changed it to Democratic socialist when he joined the party to run for president brush May 2016 #46

That is utter bullshit. Dawgs May 2016 #75

I've listened to Thom Hartman's radio show for years. brush May 2016 #78

Self avowed sounds more like what the pundits defined him. timmymoff May 2016 #96

Those capitalists called him a socialist and worse because jwirr May 2016 #44

FDR took the New Deal concepts from Norman Thomas in 1932. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #155

That is correct. FDR ran the first time as conservative Democrat. jwirr May 2016 #163

And people still wonder why this campaign is a hard sell for black voters Recursion May 2016 #10

I'm talking to the white Hillary supporters here AZ Progressive May 2016 #12

Ask a Clinton supporter; I have no idea Recursion May 2016 #16

During the Clinton admin blacks... awe fuck it, yaw've heard this a million times and still don't.. uponit7771 May 2016 #18

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #13

Uhm, I don't think AZ is white eom Arazi May 2016 #17

And? (nt) Recursion May 2016 #20

Seemed like you were painting AZ as tone deaf Arazi May 2016 #24

AZ doesn't have to do anything; I thought this was a pretty clear example Recursion May 2016 #25

Well AZ, a POC, obviously didn't see it that way. POC are not monolithic eom Arazi May 2016 #32

Nor is he/she required to; people aren't all alike Recursion May 2016 #35

You do understand FDR purposefully set out to exclude black folks from these benefits right? uponit7771 May 2016 #15

And yet FDR issued an executive order creating the FEPC AZ Progressive May 2016 #28

You're leaving out some of FDR's legacy CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #39

He didn't support an anti-lynching bill because he wanted the support wildeyed May 2016 #60

Agreed. CorkySt.Clair May 2016 #62

That makes LBJ's civil rights accomplishments even more impressive, given that . . . brush May 2016 #67

LBJ would be widely remembered as a GREAT man, wildeyed May 2016 #74

Agreed. Vietnam tarnished his accomplishments somewhat . . . brush May 2016 #79

No, but I will put it on my list. wildeyed May 2016 #81

I'll put the Branch volumes on my list. Thanks for that info. brush May 2016 #85

BTW, why do Hillary supporters act like only white people would benefit from economic progressivism? AZ Progressive May 2016 #34

Because that's been what's invariably happened in the past Recursion May 2016 #37

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #42

Economic Progressivism is not just benefits, its also about fighting against big corporations AZ Progressive May 2016 #47

Except for the ones who were caught up in Clinton's huge expansion of the prison population n/t eridani May 2016 #114

We have Sanders to think for that uponit7771 May 2016 #142

He called black youth superpredators? eridani May 2016 #144

no he didn't and only stupid ass'd, small farm animal loving racist think the term is exclusives to uponit7771 May 2016 #148

Superpredators is just as obvious as Willie Horton. eridani May 2016 #149

People who think the term is exclusives to blacks fucks road kill on hot days when no one is looking uponit7771 May 2016 #150

It sure the hell was in the case of a crime bill. Black people aren't the only people who commit-- eridani May 2016 #154

Let's be fair, FDR made that compromise because if he doesn't then the Dixiecrats torpedo the entire forjusticethunders May 2016 #134

I support Bernie Sanders because I benefited from they system and I don't want to pull the ladder up DookDook May 2016 #23

Good point. But the lifestyle they inherited got socked into the Republican con called 401Ks. Now WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2016 #27

Exactly what of FDR's greatest policies is Clinton threatening? Hoyt May 2016 #29

FDR supported Free Trade and got it passed, too. tirebiter May 2016 #30

You think FDR would have supported shipping manufacturing jobs to Mexico and China? AZ Progressive May 2016 #31

And Truman's and JFK and LBJ Doctor_J May 2016 #41

Economically progressive Democratic presidents AZ Progressive May 2016 #48

Correctomondo! And once the repugs get in they institute policies that favor . . . brush May 2016 #138

My middle class lifestyle because my father got a Masters degree and worked a lot of 12 hour days Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #45

My father worked a lot of 12 hour days as well as a construction worker. liberal_at_heart May 2016 #55

It's not crap if it's true. My dad worked hard, got educated, and did well Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #58

It sounds like you are implying that anyone who isn't successful must be because they wouldn't work liberal_at_heart May 2016 #61

+10000 eom Arazi May 2016 #73

What? Democrats can't work hard and do well? Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #88

Well, someone forgot to tell us it's all about you. kcr May 2016 #98

It's about the OP, which is untrue and insulting Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #127

No many can't pinebox May 2016 #116

Don't forget L.B.J. who Hillary campaigned against. Downwinder May 2016 #52

I was thinking about our middle class life way back then. No going out to eat but rarely, seabeyond May 2016 #53

I was raised in middle class home in the in the 50s and 60s. What was called middle class doc03 May 2016 #54

I sure did. Early 60s hospital as a kid, in todays dollars, about 250k, back then, 0. litlbilly May 2016 #70

I'm working with a team that wants to re-animate FDR postatomic May 2016 #71

You really think FDR would be against Bernie? AZ Progressive May 2016 #76

I know quite a bit about FDR postatomic May 2016 #80

FDR reminds me more of Bill Clinton than Bernie Sanders. wildeyed May 2016 #82

Very good analogy postatomic May 2016 #83

FDR got much more than 50% of the vote n/t eridani May 2016 #113

FDR lied about a blowjob from an intern in the Oval Office and Visited Orgy Island? TheSarcastinator May 2016 #119

FDR lied about his sex life. wildeyed May 2016 #122

In other words, FDR was just pretending to be an economic progressive? AZ Progressive May 2016 #128

Except the part where he didn't win the nomination. wildeyed May 2016 #143

Damn straight. Absolutely right on. Completely agree. bjo59 May 2016 #77

That's quite a stretch, trying to compare FDR to Sanders, procon May 2016 #84

Who exactly is "bashing Bernie" on his policy positons? JoePhilly May 2016 #93

K & R AzDar May 2016 #94

No, it's unrealistic for the richest country on the planet to do what all those other countries do. Scuba May 2016 #115

Right? Health care is a luxury only hte richest of nations can afford! Scootaloo May 2016 #153

Agreed colsohlibgal May 2016 #118

The owners and investors of the military industrial complex One of the 99 May 2016 #120

Japanese Americans colsohlibgal May 2016 #121

And Bill Clinton's Iraq sanctions killed hundreds of thousands of children AZ Progressive May 2016 #124

Who said I'm supporting the Clintons? One of the 99 May 2016 #133

Great point Time for change May 2016 #123

K&R Spot On! B Calm May 2016 #125

Odd. Those that claim FDR's programs as Democratic Socialist are now bashing those same programs. tonyt53 May 2016 #126

bernie is no FDR DrDan May 2016 #129

Well, PoC that are bashingBernie and his economic progressive platform ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #131

The difference is that FDR was one of the first pols to even listen to black people forjusticethunders May 2016 #135

And, I might add, they are standing in the way of progress, the fight for equality. cui bono May 2016 #136

The race is over as is the time to discuss this. nt stevenleser May 2016 #137

lol - we'll see how it goes in CA and at the convention vintx May 2016 #164

Yep. Absolutely dead on! KPN May 2016 #140

I did. I was. And I support Bernie Sanders and that's WHY. n/t Triana May 2016 #141

We didn't know how easy we had it. senz May 2016 #151

I love FDR and you're right... ms liberty May 2016 #157