2016 Postmortem

Lord Magus

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110. And what does that have with the outcome for this primary?

Reply to Hiraeth (Reply #51)

Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:18 PM

Jun 2016

If you are claiming that Hillary is against either of those things then you are a liar.

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Has Bernie passed the point of no return? [View all] Sheepshank Jun 2016 OP

The party is corrupted by corporate money. JRLeft Jun 2016 #1

Yeah...comments like this solidify my thoughts in the op Sheepshank Jun 2016 #4

The party is corrupted by corporate money and it doesn't represent us Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #32

The popular vote and pledged delegates are not corporate money. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #99

I believe there has been some funny business in certain states including mine, yes Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #101

Agreed. When asked Bernie and Weaver just keep moving the goalpost on what politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #61

Yup...you took the time to spell out much of the shit that is wrong with the BS campaign Sheepshank Jun 2016 #74

Interesting. You think Hillary is disliked not because of her own historical votes and stances... MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #77

She was considered one of the most admired WhiteTara Jun 2016 #82

And the thing that gets me about the "his momentum" argument is...what momentum? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #106

Lmao! puffy socks Jun 2016 #154

Here's a hard truth BootinUp Jun 2016 #33

Well said Raastan Jun 2016 #55

Hillary pays lip service, that is what corporate democrats do. JRLeft Jun 2016 #62

You don't have to feel the magic. BootinUp Jun 2016 #64

Can't solve a problem with the same old kind of candidate. Orsino Jun 2016 #73

JFK said we were going to the moon LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #87

He knew he had the money, etc treestar Jun 2016 #129

Do you shop at Walmart, Target, Sears? nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #80

I think he can, but it will take an effort he hasn't indicated he's willing to put in. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #2

Sounds like you have some faith he could try Sheepshank Jun 2016 #7

It would be in his best interest to do it, if he wants clout in the Senate. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #9

Bernie has made little effort to cultivate a support system with his peers. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #11

Yes the "my way or the highway" mentality Andy823 Jun 2016 #16

oh give it a rest...... ciaobaby Jun 2016 #31

Thanks for bumping my Op with so much confirmation of what is wrong with BS ers Sheepshank Jun 2016 #50

Sums it up very well treestar Jun 2016 #132

Bernie will not bow down Meteor Man Jun 2016 #3

IMHO Bernie's actions go well beyond providing every State the opportunity to vote Sheepshank Jun 2016 #5

Because every state has voted? Meteor Man Jun 2016 #17

Except he has been quoted saying it doesn't end there.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #21

Of course it doesn't end there. cui bono Jun 2016 #34

I wish he would acknowledge the two person part is over by Tuesdsay and forget the flipping delegate bettyellen Jun 2016 #36

It won't be over on Tuesday. You know a certain amount of delegates have to be reached in order cui bono Jun 2016 #41

Well then he's just going to look silly, after insulting all those delegates.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #43

Your 'concern' for Bernie's credibility is noted. cui bono Jun 2016 #49

As is your insulting tone. Still don't hate Sanders, lol. bettyellen Jun 2016 #58

MY insulting tone? cui bono Jun 2016 #63

It's not an insult to acknowledge the voters have chosen. Happens every election.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #67

But one candidate WILL have succeeded by Tuesday. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #103

That's not what conventions are for oberliner Jun 2016 #128

He will have more of a voice if he stops trash-talking everyone. randome Jun 2016 #140

I'm in California. I haven't voted. Lucky you, if you have. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #78

He won't bow down to the American people either, if he still plans to take it "to the convention." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #102

Too bad. He is to take our grievances to the convention. mmonk Jun 2016 #6

Inconvenience? Nope I don't feel that at all Sheepshank Jun 2016 #8

+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Jun 2016 #12

This. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2016 #88

Well that's one Sheep's opinion. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #10

My point of no return was the day Hillary announced PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #13

Enjoy your wall. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #22

We know. I never confused Sanders supporters with Democrats. They're now working for Trump. NNadir Jun 2016 #27

He can be the blunt speaking, man of integrity he claims to be. We are a forgiving party. seabeyond Jun 2016 #14

If someone aggregated the amount of time Bernie spent attacking Trump or the GOP versus... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #15

I think the Democratic Party LWolf Jun 2016 #18

+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #23

the dominant party faction is for Wall Street, war, fracking, and payday lenders MisterP Jun 2016 #42

Exactly. This is not about a two person race. It's about so much more than that. cui bono Jun 2016 #47

Actually, much of his constituency doesn't support him on the basis of issues at all. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #114

Sorry, but your interpretation is NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #123

How nonsensical. LWolf Jun 2016 #124

I don't buy for a second that you've heard Clinton supporters say they'll vote Trump. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #125

Again. LWolf Jun 2016 #133

Crossover vote for Sanders from Republicans isn't real. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #144

Sure it is. LWolf Jun 2016 #146

I assume you haven't heard Susan Sarandon's latest? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #150

Bernie should stay in the race 3hummingbirds Jun 2016 #152

Being a founding and unrepentant member of the DLC/Turd Way will tend to lend to that impression TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #155

Meaning that you're swayed by memes rather than facts? -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #159

No, I've been paying attention for the last thirty years.Those "memes" are well earned. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #163

It will take the ultimate statesman to turn his ship around now. Time to see what he's made of. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #19

No, but he will in a few days time. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #20

If she's the nominee, it's up to Hillary to "unite" the party...not Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #24

Actually, Chicago1980 Jun 2016 #71

Is Hillary "broken"? Does she need fixing? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #72

Technically sort of true, but deeply misleading. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #79

It's up to the loser to admit defeat, though. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #116

I think Bernie's on a kamikaze mission to wreck the Democratic Party Zorro Jun 2016 #25

He has expressed his hatred of the party for many WhiteTara Jun 2016 #85

When Hillary voted to kill 500,000 people was my point of no return Android3.14 Jun 2016 #26

The Party is a Disaster. Standing tall with Grace and Dignity is all he has left. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #28

He is neither graceful nor dignified. He, and no one else is the disaster. NNadir Jun 2016 #39

He was not rejected by the people. cui bono Jun 2016 #48

Yeah, I know...there's that famous Bernie Math. He won! Because he has more votes than anyone... NNadir Jun 2016 #68

You certainly have a strange notion of what rejection is, but then you seem to be very worked up. cui bono Jun 2016 #69

Yeah, I am worked up. A guy named Trump is running and we have Sandernistas running his talking... NNadir Jun 2016 #75

You are not amused? Hilarious. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #95

It looks like so far he has been. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #109

Depends on which people. You stand with those people and I will stand with these people. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #51

And what does that have with the outcome for this primary? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #110

oh my stars and garters. Welcome to Ignore. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #115

Well, you are just wrong GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #91

Given two choices, I will always take the third. Why is it always an either/or proposition. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #92

Some always do GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #93

What do you think you are doing here? Educating me? Lecturing me? Gazing into your crystal ball? Hiraeth Jun 2016 #94

Well GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #97

I didn't say it Was Over but, I do think we are witnessing a restructuring of both parties Hiraeth Jun 2016 #98

Do not worry GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #100

Parlimentary Procedure with some updates to account for modern technology. Not against it per se. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #107

Even if the third choice is worse? That's not rational. At all. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #111

Bernie has clearly stated Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #29

Exactly Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #53

He has, but now he's moving the goalposts. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #112

Until the vote at the convention Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #121

You're moving the goalposts. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #122

I suggest the following Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #142

There is never an "official" nominee prior to the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #143

I don't think Hillary is a viable candidate anymore Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #30

I think it depends on what he does in the next week. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #35

If she's the nominee, Clinton will be responsible for her results in November. David__77 Jun 2016 #37

Exactly. Those of us who support her are very confident in that. NNadir Jun 2016 #40

I think that confidence is important. David__77 Jun 2016 #46

Has Hillary? She's the one under FBI investigation. cui bono Jun 2016 #38

Yes, Sanders will win every delegate next week...the convention will be deadlocked and on the... NNadir Jun 2016 #52

"It's amazing how many people here refuse to be reality based." cui bono Jun 2016 #56

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #54

Please stop demanding that we invent new rules for this primary. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #113

I'm glad Bernie is fighting the fight bigwillq Jun 2016 #44

No way. All the way to the convention baby! I want his message out there loud and clear Arazi Jun 2016 #45

He will technically pass that point one week from today. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #57

In 08 Hillary stayed in until the end gave many reasons for doing so while castigating those who Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #59

Even republicans knew when to call it quits Sheepshank Jun 2016 #60

That is not even vaguely comparable. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #117

It's not about the party. It's about the message and fighting for the American people. Go Bernie!!! ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #65

Even if the American People don't want him? NNadir Jun 2016 #66

More Americans want Bernie than Hillary. She can only win when independents can't vote. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #90

Really? Bernie won more votes than anyone else? NNadir Jun 2016 #96

That is a LIE. Bernie has lost most open primaries. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #118

It's dicey rock Jun 2016 #70

I hope he pulls back from burning MFM008 Jun 2016 #76

I know it's Hug a Cat Day, but I missed the Butthurt Over Bernie Day notice. merrily Jun 2016 #81

+1, Today's Brockian meme must be disseminated. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #131

He passed that point on the day he announced his candidacy for some here Armstead Jun 2016 #83

"Primary has been rigged at every turn," bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #84

Bernie has never promised to deliver his supporters. He isn't a sheepdog. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #86

Claiming that he "might win it all" as a third party candidate is insane. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #119

You and those saying similar things are causing Bernie supporters to think that LaurenG Jun 2016 #89

If Sanders supporters get violent outside the convention hall, it's all on Sanders. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #104

I think the full history of sanders is what has to happen beachbum bob Jun 2016 #105

Everything you just said about Sanders is how I feel about HRC. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #108

lo...but really sanders is not who you thinks he is and thats the problem beachbum bob Jun 2016 #126

yes, because Hillary is all things to all people and Sanders may be toast but, Hiraeth Jun 2016 #138

Good way to put it, Sheepshank... I think he has. Cha Jun 2016 #120

No. Once Obama endorses...that is the point of no return Feathery Scout Jun 2016 #127

what if the previous sitting president is running for re-election, or is a Republican? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #134

I mentioned Obama...our sitting president...because he is the current head of the Democratic Party Feathery Scout Jun 2016 #148

How about now? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #162

I agree jcgoldie Jun 2016 #145

What a load of rubbish. He's entitled to stay in the race until the delegate votes are counted. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #130

Even Ted Cruz knew when it was time to bow out Zambero Jun 2016 #135

Ted Cruz wasn't winning any state primaries. He had ZERO appeal. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #136

He is ruining his shot at having a speaking slot at the convention. randome Jun 2016 #141

Not a fanatic Zambero Jun 2016 #149

We'll know in a week or two. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #137

We will know Tuesday Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #156

I am pretty confident Cosmocat Jun 2016 #139

Go Bernie!. ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION! Ignote the detractors! jack_krass Jun 2016 #147

There's no bowing out gracefully. The party is split between people who are sick of holding PatrickforO Jun 2016 #151

America has. nt valerief Jun 2016 #153

I think he will bow out Tuesday night or Weds morning. But we will see. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #157

I think many of Bernie Sanders' supporters... tom-servo Jun 2016 #158

He can redeem himself. arely staircase Jun 2016 #160

Yes...he has officially passed the point of no return Sheepshank Jun 2016 #161