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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
133. Again.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

You seem to have some filters in your brain that translate things I say into things I didn't say.

I didn't say Clinton supporters would vote Trump. It's dishonest to imply that I did.

And it's your faulty comprehension, or a tendency to make unfounded assumptions, or your own disingenuousness, that leads you to suggest that "or bust" means Trump. "BoB" is a Democratic thing, not a crossover voter thing.

Democrats and left-wing independents or 3rd party members who support Sanders aren't going to vote for Trump. Some will vote Clinton, some will vote Stein or some other 3rd party candidate.

The fact that Sanders gets crossover support from Republicans and other independents that would normally vote R is frustrating, I know, because Clinton simply doesn't. It's THAT crossover support that will vote Trump if they can't vote Bernie. And that segment of the voting population is not here on DU, is not part of the Democratic Party or its usual allies on the left.

It's truly an aggravating thing for Clinton supporters to acknowledge that her nomination means the November loss of crossover votes from all groups outside the Democratic Party; they've never acknowledged her weakness outside her own party. It's aggravating to acknowledge that she'll even lose some support within her own party to 3rd party candidates. Aggravating, but true. True enough that the majority of Clinton supporters CAN'T, WON'T acknowledge her weaknesses as a general election candidate, even while the DNC is showing uneasiness. The frantic scramble to begin placing blame for her November loss on ANYONE but her and her supporters has begun, and will get worse. It's pathetic, really. It's everybody else's fault that she can't earn the vote. Or, instead of a democracy where each citizen votes their own conscience, the nation owes her their vote, and it's the fault of those who exercise democracy with a small d if she loses. As I said, pathetic.

The party is corrupted by corporate money. JRLeft Jun 2016 #1
Yeah...comments like this solidify my thoughts in the op Sheepshank Jun 2016 #4
The party is corrupted by corporate money and it doesn't represent us Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #32
The popular vote and pledged delegates are not corporate money. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #99
I believe there has been some funny business in certain states including mine, yes Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #101
Agreed. When asked Bernie and Weaver just keep moving the goalpost on what politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #61
Yup...you took the time to spell out much of the shit that is wrong with the BS campaign Sheepshank Jun 2016 #74
Interesting. You think Hillary is disliked not because of her own historical votes and stances... MadDAsHell Jun 2016 #77
She was considered one of the most admired WhiteTara Jun 2016 #82
And the thing that gets me about the "his momentum" argument is...what momentum? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #106
Lmao! puffy socks Jun 2016 #154
Here's a hard truth BootinUp Jun 2016 #33
Well said Raastan Jun 2016 #55
Hillary pays lip service, that is what corporate democrats do. JRLeft Jun 2016 #62
You don't have to feel the magic. BootinUp Jun 2016 #64
Can't solve a problem with the same old kind of candidate. Orsino Jun 2016 #73
JFK said we were going to the moon LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #87
He knew he had the money, etc treestar Jun 2016 #129
Do you shop at Walmart, Target, Sears? nt asuhornets Jun 2016 #80
I think he can, but it will take an effort he hasn't indicated he's willing to put in. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #2
Sounds like you have some faith he could try Sheepshank Jun 2016 #7
It would be in his best interest to do it, if he wants clout in the Senate. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #9
Bernie has made little effort to cultivate a support system with his peers. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #11
Yes the "my way or the highway" mentality Andy823 Jun 2016 #16
oh give it a rest...... ciaobaby Jun 2016 #31
Thanks for bumping my Op with so much confirmation of what is wrong with BS ers Sheepshank Jun 2016 #50
Sums it up very well treestar Jun 2016 #132
Bernie will not bow down Meteor Man Jun 2016 #3
IMHO Bernie's actions go well beyond providing every State the opportunity to vote Sheepshank Jun 2016 #5
Because every state has voted? Meteor Man Jun 2016 #17
Except he has been quoted saying it doesn't end there.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #21
Of course it doesn't end there. cui bono Jun 2016 #34
I wish he would acknowledge the two person part is over by Tuesdsay and forget the flipping delegate bettyellen Jun 2016 #36
It won't be over on Tuesday. You know a certain amount of delegates have to be reached in order cui bono Jun 2016 #41
Well then he's just going to look silly, after insulting all those delegates.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #43
Your 'concern' for Bernie's credibility is noted. cui bono Jun 2016 #49
As is your insulting tone. Still don't hate Sanders, lol. bettyellen Jun 2016 #58
MY insulting tone? cui bono Jun 2016 #63
It's not an insult to acknowledge the voters have chosen. Happens every election.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #67
But one candidate WILL have succeeded by Tuesday. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #103
That's not what conventions are for oberliner Jun 2016 #128
He will have more of a voice if he stops trash-talking everyone. randome Jun 2016 #140
I'm in California. I haven't voted. Lucky you, if you have. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #78
He won't bow down to the American people either, if he still plans to take it "to the convention." Lord Magus Jun 2016 #102
Too bad. He is to take our grievances to the convention. mmonk Jun 2016 #6
Inconvenience? Nope I don't feel that at all Sheepshank Jun 2016 #8
+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Jun 2016 #12
This. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2016 #88
Well that's one Sheep's opinion. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #10
My point of no return was the day Hillary announced PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #13
Enjoy your wall. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #22
We know. I never confused Sanders supporters with Democrats. They're now working for Trump. NNadir Jun 2016 #27
He can be the blunt speaking, man of integrity he claims to be. We are a forgiving party. seabeyond Jun 2016 #14
If someone aggregated the amount of time Bernie spent attacking Trump or the GOP versus... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #15
I think the Democratic Party LWolf Jun 2016 #18
+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #23
the dominant party faction is for Wall Street, war, fracking, and payday lenders MisterP Jun 2016 #42
Exactly. This is not about a two person race. It's about so much more than that. cui bono Jun 2016 #47
Actually, much of his constituency doesn't support him on the basis of issues at all. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #114
Sorry, but your interpretation is NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #123
How nonsensical. LWolf Jun 2016 #124
I don't buy for a second that you've heard Clinton supporters say they'll vote Trump. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #125
Again. LWolf Jun 2016 #133
Crossover vote for Sanders from Republicans isn't real. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #144
Sure it is. LWolf Jun 2016 #146
I assume you haven't heard Susan Sarandon's latest? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #150
Bernie should stay in the race 3hummingbirds Jun 2016 #152
Being a founding and unrepentant member of the DLC/Turd Way will tend to lend to that impression TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #155
Meaning that you're swayed by memes rather than facts? -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #159
No, I've been paying attention for the last thirty years.Those "memes" are well earned. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #163
It will take the ultimate statesman to turn his ship around now. Time to see what he's made of. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #19
No, but he will in a few days time. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #20
If she's the nominee, it's up to Hillary to "unite" the party...not Bernie. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #24
Actually, Chicago1980 Jun 2016 #71
Is Hillary "broken"? Does she need fixing? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #72
Technically sort of true, but deeply misleading. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #79
It's up to the loser to admit defeat, though. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #116
I think Bernie's on a kamikaze mission to wreck the Democratic Party Zorro Jun 2016 #25
He has expressed his hatred of the party for many WhiteTara Jun 2016 #85
When Hillary voted to kill 500,000 people was my point of no return Android3.14 Jun 2016 #26
The Party is a Disaster. Standing tall with Grace and Dignity is all he has left. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #28
He is neither graceful nor dignified. He, and no one else is the disaster. NNadir Jun 2016 #39
He was not rejected by the people. cui bono Jun 2016 #48
Yeah, I know...there's that famous Bernie Math. He won! Because he has more votes than anyone... NNadir Jun 2016 #68
You certainly have a strange notion of what rejection is, but then you seem to be very worked up. cui bono Jun 2016 #69
Yeah, I am worked up. A guy named Trump is running and we have Sandernistas running his talking... NNadir Jun 2016 #75
You are not amused? Hilarious. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #95
It looks like so far he has been. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #109
Depends on which people. You stand with those people and I will stand with these people. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #51
And what does that have with the outcome for this primary? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #110
oh my stars and garters. Welcome to Ignore. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #115
Well, you are just wrong GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #91
Given two choices, I will always take the third. Why is it always an either/or proposition. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #92
Some always do GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #93
What do you think you are doing here? Educating me? Lecturing me? Gazing into your crystal ball? Hiraeth Jun 2016 #94
Well GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #97
I didn't say it Was Over but, I do think we are witnessing a restructuring of both parties Hiraeth Jun 2016 #98
Do not worry GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #100
Parlimentary Procedure with some updates to account for modern technology. Not against it per se. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #107
Even if the third choice is worse? That's not rational. At all. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #111
Bernie has clearly stated Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #29
Exactly Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #53
He has, but now he's moving the goalposts. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #112
Until the vote at the convention Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #121
You're moving the goalposts. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #122
I suggest the following Bjornsdotter Jun 2016 #142
There is never an "official" nominee prior to the convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #143
I don't think Hillary is a viable candidate anymore Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #30
I think it depends on what he does in the next week. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #35
If she's the nominee, Clinton will be responsible for her results in November. David__77 Jun 2016 #37
Exactly. Those of us who support her are very confident in that. NNadir Jun 2016 #40
I think that confidence is important. David__77 Jun 2016 #46
Has Hillary? She's the one under FBI investigation. cui bono Jun 2016 #38
Yes, Sanders will win every delegate next week...the convention will be deadlocked and on the... NNadir Jun 2016 #52
"It's amazing how many people here refuse to be reality based." cui bono Jun 2016 #56
yes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2016 #54
Please stop demanding that we invent new rules for this primary. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #113
I'm glad Bernie is fighting the fight bigwillq Jun 2016 #44
No way. All the way to the convention baby! I want his message out there loud and clear Arazi Jun 2016 #45
He will technically pass that point one week from today. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #57
In 08 Hillary stayed in until the end gave many reasons for doing so while castigating those who Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #59
Even republicans knew when to call it quits Sheepshank Jun 2016 #60
That is not even vaguely comparable. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #117
It's not about the party. It's about the message and fighting for the American people. Go Bernie!!! ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #65
Even if the American People don't want him? NNadir Jun 2016 #66
More Americans want Bernie than Hillary. She can only win when independents can't vote. ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2016 #90
Really? Bernie won more votes than anyone else? NNadir Jun 2016 #96
That is a LIE. Bernie has lost most open primaries. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #118
It's dicey rock Jun 2016 #70
I hope he pulls back from burning MFM008 Jun 2016 #76
I know it's Hug a Cat Day, but I missed the Butthurt Over Bernie Day notice. merrily Jun 2016 #81
+1, Today's Brockian meme must be disseminated. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #131
He passed that point on the day he announced his candidacy for some here Armstead Jun 2016 #83
"Primary has been rigged at every turn," bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #84
Bernie has never promised to deliver his supporters. He isn't a sheepdog. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #86
Claiming that he "might win it all" as a third party candidate is insane. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #119
You and those saying similar things are causing Bernie supporters to think that LaurenG Jun 2016 #89
If Sanders supporters get violent outside the convention hall, it's all on Sanders. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #104
I think the full history of sanders is what has to happen beachbum bob Jun 2016 #105
Everything you just said about Sanders is how I feel about HRC. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #108
lo...but really sanders is not who you thinks he is and thats the problem beachbum bob Jun 2016 #126
yes, because Hillary is all things to all people and Sanders may be toast but, Hiraeth Jun 2016 #138
Good way to put it, Sheepshank... I think he has. Cha Jun 2016 #120
No. Once Obama endorses...that is the point of no return Feathery Scout Jun 2016 #127
what if the previous sitting president is running for re-election, or is a Republican? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #134
I mentioned Obama...our sitting president...because he is the current head of the Democratic Party Feathery Scout Jun 2016 #148
How about now? Sheepshank Jun 2016 #162
I agree jcgoldie Jun 2016 #145
What a load of rubbish. He's entitled to stay in the race until the delegate votes are counted. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #130
Even Ted Cruz knew when it was time to bow out Zambero Jun 2016 #135
Ted Cruz wasn't winning any state primaries. He had ZERO appeal. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #136
He is ruining his shot at having a speaking slot at the convention. randome Jun 2016 #141
Not a fanatic Zambero Jun 2016 #149
We'll know in a week or two. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #137
We will know Tuesday Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #156
I am pretty confident Cosmocat Jun 2016 #139
Go Bernie!. ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION! Ignote the detractors! jack_krass Jun 2016 #147
There's no bowing out gracefully. The party is split between people who are sick of holding PatrickforO Jun 2016 #151
America has. nt valerief Jun 2016 #153
I think he will bow out Tuesday night or Weds morning. But we will see. Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #157
I think many of Bernie Sanders' supporters... tom-servo Jun 2016 #158
He can redeem himself. arely staircase Jun 2016 #160
Yes...he has officially passed the point of no return Sheepshank Jun 2016 #161
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