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Debbie Wasserman Schultz on fracking in debate with Tim Canova [View all]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz says she backs fracking ban after sounding open to it in debate

Posted by Amy Sherman on Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2016 at 1:41 PM

After calling for “regulations” on fracking during a debate, U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz now says she would support a ban in Florida.

"Let me be clear, I am against fracking, especially in Florida,” Wasserman Schultz said in a press release after the Miami Herald sought more details about her position. “I support a ban on fracking at the state level.”

Fracking, a controversial type of oil and gas extraction that raises red flags for environmentalists, was one of the few issues that divided Wasserman Schultz from her Democratic opponent Tim Canova in their lone debate on CBS4 in Miami earlier this month. They also clashed about the Middle East.

When host Jim DeFede asked the candidates during a brief lightning round at the end of the debate if they would support a ban on fracking in Florida, Canova said "I would."...

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http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2016/08/does-debbie-wasserman-schultz-support-a-ban-on-fracking.html

Environmentalists Sound Alarm On Proposed Drilling Near Florida Everglades

By Greg Allen - December 9, 2015 4:16 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered

Florida's Everglades has an ecosystem known for its sawgrass, cypress trees, alligators — and perhaps soon, oil wells.

Oil drilling isn't allowed in the 1.5 million-acre Everglades National Park, but the ecosystem extends far beyond the park's boundaries — and drilling is allowed in Big Cypress National Preserve, an adjacent protected area about half the size of the park.

Environmental groups are concerned that the testing may harm endangered plants and animals, and that it may open sensitive areas to drilling and fracking.

Betty Osceola, a member of the Miccosukee tribe, has lived her whole life in the Everglades. During the Seminole Wars of the 19th century, her ancestors hid from federal troops in the Everglades swamps and cypress forests.

"This land, the Everglades, they protected us in our time of need — she provided us shelter, she provided us food, she provided us water," Osceola says. "As indigenous people, it's our turn to take up and speak for her."...

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http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459099471/environmentalists-sound-alarm-on-proposed-drilling-near-florida-everglades

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/no-fracking-in-florida-1

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/24/us/in-florida-an-unlikely-battle-over-fracking-intensifies.html?_r=0

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/21642-fracking-florida-could-florida-become-the-new-fracking-frontier

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Debbie lsewpershad Aug 2016 #1

That's not a nice thing to say. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #2

A nice thing: Floridians vote for tax breaks for SOLAR POWER. Hortensis Aug 2016 #111

That's fantastic! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #118

Yes! A trap is laid for voters with another bill on Nov. 8, though. Hortensis Aug 2016 #120

When she's not resigning in disgrace from the DNC or voting for pay day lending legislation after think Aug 2016 #4

I was going to post something about how her haters will just find a new topic to fixate on... BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #20

Fixate? You mean on issues & actions that matter? Sadly you think these things don't matter. think Aug 2016 #24

I'm actually glad you never learn the lesson. I'll never need to worry about you convinving a BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #35

Fracking is an important issue. DWS chose to support fracking before changing to be against it. think Aug 2016 #37

Fracking stink-stank-stunk from the get go. ANYBODY who favored it mpcamb Aug 2016 #39

Well scripted insults don't substitute for factual discussion of issues and positions think Aug 2016 #38

you arr absolutely right. Lunabell Aug 2016 #53

You have to admit, she provides plenty of good reason. immoderate Aug 2016 #31

Why? The people of her district appreciate her. Isn't that's what it's all about? George II Aug 2016 #134

Looks like she's got thing thing all wrapped up. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #3

And again the avoiding issues. Not surprising..... think Aug 2016 #5

I have no idea what you're talking about now. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #8

Fracking. Isn't it obvious? think Aug 2016 #9

Your posts are unclear. So, no... it's not obvious. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #11

And STILL ignoring the issues. Good bye /nt think Aug 2016 #13

So, if someone doesn't AGREE with you, then that's your response? NurseJackie Aug 2016 #14

No one can ever ever ever change their mind, ideas or their stance Loki Aug 2016 #56

Purity sure can be challenging, can't it? ;-P NurseJackie Aug 2016 #62

I would flunk that test Loki Aug 2016 #63

Maybe if you got a tutor and studied harder! :-P NurseJackie Aug 2016 #68

DWS changed her mind on fracking the NEXT day. She changed her mind on pay day loan legislation think Aug 2016 #64

Thanks for telling me what to think and ask me if I care. Loki Aug 2016 #65

Where did I tell you what to think? Do you care to offer an opinion on DWS's position changes? think Aug 2016 #71

I just did. Loki Aug 2016 #72

She can change her mind and it's no big deal. Got it. Great response. Kudos.... think Aug 2016 #74

Seriously? Loki Aug 2016 #77

DWS changed her positions for political expediency not conviction on the issues. When one offers think Aug 2016 #80

Tim is going to lose and Loki Aug 2016 #83

DWS resigned in disgrace from the DNC for her actions. The Democrats LOST many seats in congress think Aug 2016 #84

That's not true. She resigned under pressure*, not "in disgrace". NurseJackie Aug 2016 #86

I see people are having a hard time with the truth. Rex Aug 2016 #92

She's a skilled politician. She'll be a strong and valuable ally for Hillary Clinton. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #89

Being inflexible is EXACTLY the main reason that candidates (and "movements" and "revolutions") NurseJackie Aug 2016 #88

It shows that she's a skilled politician who knows that compromise, change and ... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #90

LOL! ;-P NurseJackie Aug 2016 #66

You are factually correct. Duval Aug 2016 #105

That's a two way street. Would you respect the decision of Exilednight Aug 2016 #57

Okay. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #61

Please provide definitive proof that fracking is harmful to the environment CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #15

That's funny! immoderate Aug 2016 #32

Holy shit! Really?! Arazi Aug 2016 #40

Figures, you have no proof either CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #44

Really, after all the info regarding fracking? And no clue? happydaze Aug 2016 #59

Not to mention the havoc it plays on tectonic plates, the solution to Exilednight Aug 2016 #78

It's comin' down to the wire. LexVegas Aug 2016 #6

Fracking is funny stuff isn't it. think Aug 2016 #7

It's hard to consider anything "funny".... CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #146

She flipped on this issue. Exilednight Aug 2016 #10

And the fracking would be in or near the Everglades. Tim Canova point blank said he opposed it. think Aug 2016 #12

That is up to Scott and the state. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #21

And DWS in the video says she would support fracking then flip flops after being called out on it. think Aug 2016 #26

No it is not. It is a national park, not a state park. Exilednight Aug 2016 #55

Well you better vote Dem then and hope Hillary wins... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #108

I'd guess about 2 days. nt dflprincess Aug 2016 #42

15. Please provide definitive proof that fracking is harmful to the environment CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #16

Are you serious? think Aug 2016 #17

I give you credit casperthegm Aug 2016 #18

TY /nt think Aug 2016 #19

Hillary is the Democratic nominee so yes we support her on Democratic underground. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #22

The thread is about DWS and HER actions including this latest flip flop on fracking. think Aug 2016 #25

C'mon... Plucketeer Aug 2016 #82

One can always hope :) think Aug 2016 #85

No other congressional candidate has been followed like DWS Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #109

No other candidate resigned from the DNC in disgrace, supported her GOP House friends over Democrats think Aug 2016 #110

That's not true. She resigned under pressure*, not "in disgrace". She was bullied. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #121

She was bullied? Wow. Please do tell us how she was bullied. think Aug 2016 #122

LOL NurseJackie Aug 2016 #123

How about some facts instead? DWS used the DNC to coordinate against Canova. think Aug 2016 #124

LOL! I've seen this tactic used before. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #125

Tactic? The emails clearly showed DWS using the DNC to collude against Canova. Are you denying what think Aug 2016 #126

LOL! A poor and unskilled craftsman blames his tools. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #128

Are you incapable of responding to facts directly? think Aug 2016 #130

I am responding directly. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #131

This has to do with the primary which is over by the way Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #132

+1 why continue to bother pointing out truth, logic, reason, ethics... JudyM Aug 2016 #23

+1 nt riderinthestorm Aug 2016 #36

If you are not a cheerleader for Hillary GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #43

Edit the post? casperthegm Aug 2016 #60

Flip Flopping Loki Aug 2016 #69

There's a few factual errors in your statement. Exilednight Aug 2016 #91

I did. Loki Aug 2016 #97

Let's dealing with fact s-both positive and negative CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #47

You left out the damage done in North Dakota, largely ignored by MSM in its haste to hype the rush. Ford_Prefect Aug 2016 #54

And whose word we have on these events? CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #87

Hearsay??? Fracking equals radioactive waste - in North Dakota's water womanofthehills Aug 2016 #94

Yes hearsay or rather opinion based articles not facts CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #99

M5.6 - 14km NW of Pawnee, Oklahoma Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #159

No, your link has no relevance to the situation. CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #160

Sorry wrong link. It should have been to the thread that had the title. Thread link is below Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #161

Actually that quake was not caused by fracking CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #162

That waste-water is a product of FRACKING processes and was injected into old fracking well sites Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #163

So you agree that the quakes were not caused by fracking - thanks CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #164

Thanks To Fracking, Earthquake Hazards In Parts Of Oklahoma Now Comparable To California. Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #165

Facts by who? Exilednight Aug 2016 #73

So I take it you didn't like what you read CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #100

FRACKING WELLS TAINTING DRINKING WATER IN TEXAS AND PENNSYLVANIA, STUDY FINDS think Aug 2016 #102

Now for some facts CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #106

Would that be called "petrosplaining"? Ford_Prefect Sep 2016 #138

No, that would be a search for facts about fracking CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #139

From the article you linked: Exilednight Aug 2016 #104

So? CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #107

Analysis of California's Fracking Wastewater Reveals a Slew of Toxic Chemicals Linked to Cancer and womanofthehills Sep 2016 #167

Excellent. No fracking in Florida. I'm with her on that. Nt NCTraveler Aug 2016 #27

Yes. After being called out she changes her position. Good grief /nt think Aug 2016 #28

You didn't highlight her position change. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #29

It's in the article below the video. In the video she says she's open to fracking in Florida think Aug 2016 #30

Her campaign website says nothing about fracking. immoderate Aug 2016 #33

Absolutely not. Exilednight Aug 2016 #75

DWS makes me question whether I belong in the Democratic Party - she does not share my values at all Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #34

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #41

If you not voting for Hillary, you don't! CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #45

I believe that covers pretty much everything. Thank you. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #51

Fracking is okay, but granny needs to go to prison for medical marijuana. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #46

Granny? KMOD Aug 2016 #48

now I don't actually know if Bridgit Kirouac, for instance, is a granny. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #50

Well you are trying to use logic. Rex Aug 2016 #93

So I take it Tim is pro oil? Or pro coal? KMOD Aug 2016 #49

Solar and wind. Exilednight Aug 2016 #58

Tim doesn't want to talk about his preferred poison. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #79

Are you pro fracking rather than supporting renewable energy? think Aug 2016 #81

Debbie Wasserman Schultz Pissing OFF All The RIGHT People.. stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #52

Well... that's an interesting (and amusing) way to look at it! :-D NurseJackie Aug 2016 #67

NurseJackie Loki Aug 2016 #70

LOL..you lost your one-per-lifetime flip flop! misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #76

Thanks! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #96

NOT Republicans! immoderate Aug 2016 #98

Good hold her feet to the fire, that is what we are supposed to do! Rex Aug 2016 #95

Would you rather fracking was not regulated? It would allow anything goes if there is not Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #101

No. It should be BANNED in Florida. And NOW DWS agrees..... think Aug 2016 #103

Has she changed her mind on medical marijuana too? B Calm Aug 2016 #112

Good question /nt think Aug 2016 #115

It's great that we are going to put an anti-fracker through for another term. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #113

Good grief /nt think Aug 2016 #114

That's the name of a friend of mines beautiful sailboat. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #116

Sailing would be pleasant way to spend a day... think Aug 2016 #117

No doubt about it. Love getting out with him. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #119

he lost get over it.. stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #127

^^^^ This CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #141

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #129

She won. Quit fighting the primary. Her opponent now is the Rethug, not Canova. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #133

This was posted 2 days ago... think Aug 2016 #136

So the Democrats in Florida agree with Schultz, not you CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #140

The FEC will have the final decision. All DWS can get is a fine for abusing her DNC position think Sep 2016 #142

Nice try, but you need to stay on subject CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #143

Ya. She changed her mind THE NEXT DAY on a fracking ban. OOPs.... think Sep 2016 #144

So that's why she won - no one was concerned that she was flip-flopping? CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #145

Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigned for what she did at the DNC. And you supporters of FAR RIGHT think Sep 2016 #147

I am not a voter in her district - so it makes no difference what I ignore or don't ignore CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #148

I live near where the fracking in Florida would occur. Near the Everglades. I hope she sticks to think Sep 2016 #149

But you don't live in her distict, do you? CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #150

You don't even live in the state, Yet you have the audacity to call Tim Canova far left. think Sep 2016 #151

Hell, I could live in France and still have the same impact on her election.... CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #152

Did you approve of the actions of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as head of the DNC? think Sep 2016 #153

Some I do, some I don't - why do you care? CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #154

Tim Canova Files Formal Election Complaint Against Debbie Wasserman Schultz think Sep 2016 #155

Well, if you can't beat her in the voting booths.... CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #156

You still can't answer a simple question. Do you approve of this conduct by Debbie Wasserman Schultz think Sep 2016 #157

Some I do, some I don't - you never specified CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #158

How did the primary turn out? She won by a resounding 13.6%. George II Aug 2016 #135

That's very impressive. I'm confident of her victory in November. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #137

Carnival lost the primary, though. MineralMan Sep 2016 #166