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62. lessons learned
Wed Nov 16, 2016, 05:58 PM
Nov 2016

As Maya Angelou said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the
first time." This applies to nations of people as well as individuals.

On Tuesday night I learned some things about who we are. I started the
evening at a Vietnamese noodle shop run by immigrants, and saw the smiles fade
from the faces of staff and customers alike as the results started to come in
from the east coast. My next stop was the Democratic Party of Oregon "victory
party" in Portland, which swung from a hesitantly celebratory atmosphere to
something more resembling a funeral gathering as national results came in.
Educational.

First, and most importantly, I have no idea who my countrymen are. Living in
the Pacific Northwest, I've been blissfully isolated from the whims of white
America, the flyover states, completely out of touch with the true Zeitgeist
of America. Millions upon millions of people who felt let down by the
Democratic president and the institutions he represented, so disappointed they
were willing to vote for the possibility of complete destruction over more of
the same-old. Now they'll get some changes, no question. I lost track of how
the rest of the country rolls, full of boredom, violence, alcohol and
evangelism, and didn't see this coming at all. I misunderstood, and my
extreme disappointment is partly due to my overinflated confidence. This
result is a complete vindication of everything Michael Moore was saying about
the election.

Second, I will never again trust pre-election polls to tell me what my fellow
Americans will choose to do. There is far too much bias and uncertainty
involved in generating the "likely voter" models they use to adjust raw
results. This much is inarguable: Nate Silver's model preserved a high degree
of uncertainty, much moreso than many in the forums were comfortable with, but
his approach has also been thoroughly vindicated. I spent far too much time
browsing his site, looking for confirmation of my own mistaken opinions, when
my co-worker nailed the result by trusting his gut: "Donald Trump will be the
next president." No need for polls if your gut is truly aligned to the spirit
of the people.

Third, the news media helped to create this monster, and we support this
process by continuing to let them sell our eyes and ears to their corporate
sponsors. The fourth estate is now, by and large, quite useless as a safeguard
of democracy, and deserve no attention from anyone. Even a quick perusal of
the news from months ago should have been indicator enough of this outcome;
Trump rallies received excellent coverage, even when they got nasty and violent,
whereas the only topic Hillary got prime coverage for was email scandals,
adding to the common perception of her corruption.

Fourth, the old ways are gone. As has been said more eloquently by others,
Hillary ran a "textbook campaign" against a complete outsider and got rolled
hard. The textbook is useless. Tear it up and start over, and put the
chapter about having a clear populist message near the front this time.

Fifth, we now have proof that racism, sexism, and bullying behavior are not
turnoffs to Americans compared to social justice advocacy, perceived taint
of scandal, and identity politics messaging. Faced with a known bully and
con-artist or an apparently corrupt insider, Americans chose the bully.
That's the bottom-line truth of our current situation. We need to get rid of
any educational materials that suggest bullying those weaker leads to
failure; such materials are dangerously misleading to children and they will
see through such falsehood every day Donald Trump is in office. By promoting
inclusion and common decency as social norms, we appear deceptive to the
perceptive young while alienating the bigoted old.

I will make no grand statements about the future of this country, and will do
my best not to respond with outrage to events before they happen. Meanwhile,
there are people who are and will continue to be hurt greatly by the coming
chaos; as one of the fortunate Oregonians who will be shielded from the worst
of it for a few years, I'll do what I can to help those who are hurting. That
is what I lost track of before, I must not lose it again.

Two things bigmonkey Nov 2016 #1
I too have thought that the electoral college needs to go until snappyturtle Nov 2016 #6
Would it though? Red Mountain Nov 2016 #10
If we had mail in ballots that would obviate voter intimidation dhol82 Nov 2016 #76
While my county has mail in ballots & it's such a convenience, there are arguments against it. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #104
Yes, making voting compulsory is a good idea dhol82 Nov 2016 #105
My prediction - this republican controlled government will strike fast & bold, CrispyQ Nov 2016 #106
Agree dhol82 Nov 2016 #107
Well if people think independents are "spoilers" now, DirkGently Nov 2016 #111
My issue with the EC is that is profoundly non-democratic... but there is a fix. politicat Nov 2016 #22
No, it must absolutely go! kenfrequed Nov 2016 #96
When you use tRumps insults on conservative men and women, Amimnoch Nov 2016 #2
Build Coalitions marylandblue Nov 2016 #3
(1) Never believe polls (2) Never believe your side is going to win (3) the Electoral College needs beaglelover Nov 2016 #4
the EC will never be abolished,and the only way to really fix it is to increase the number of seats Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #14
If we work on politics at the state level... tarheelsunc Nov 2016 #30
it will just end up being a Blue blob I fear, the Red states will never sign on, and the RWers Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #32
1) don't trust data and polls too much, because data is only as good as the geek tragedy Nov 2016 #5
Treat the working class as a voting block LeftInTX Nov 2016 #81
maybe we should quit catering to their feelings treestar Nov 2016 #83
Working class is not a bloc, they vote along racial lines nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #84
Hubris destroys political parties. Nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #7
plus one nt PassingFair Nov 2016 #98
who do we represent?? BREMPRO Nov 2016 #8
That's interesting. eom Ligyron Nov 2016 #44
Good points all around. n/t DirkGently Nov 2016 #114
Thanks. n/t BREMPRO Nov 2016 #115
I'll start with the most unpopular thought first: phylny Nov 2016 #9
I can't agree more with your ideas, especially 1 and 2. I live in VA too and the gun Nay Nov 2016 #89
Time for a changing of the guard. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #11
John Kennedy served in the house from 1946-1952, BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #26
That position came from stunning defeats when running marybourg Nov 2016 #55
Stevenson ran against a war hero...anyone would have got creamed by "IKE". Ken Burch Nov 2016 #58
The 'new' progressives.I am a liberal, but I have seen liberals lose the presidency time and time Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #87
We're living in the wrong places; and we don't know the rest of the country frazzled Nov 2016 #12
I know what you mean when you say you've lost faith. I never had much, but now Nay Nov 2016 #93
Hillary got fewer votes than Obama got in 08.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #13
Right, crowds matter because if they are motivated enough BREMPRO Nov 2016 #15
People weren't looking for a 90s rerun either..... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #24
To never trust NON-DEMOCRATS. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #16
Amen1 John Comey comes to mind. Never give any power to a Republican. They know all the SharonAnn Nov 2016 #17
This!!! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #31
Oh, a BIG vote for this. Obama sealed our fate when he filled his cabinet with Nay Nov 2016 #91
P.T. Barnum nailed it. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #19
Vote like your life depends on it Generic Brad Nov 2016 #20
Introspection lovemydog Nov 2016 #21
get tough on Islamic terrorism ericson00 Nov 2016 #23
I disagree LeftInTX Nov 2016 #71
the data says otherwise ericson00 Nov 2016 #73
Ouch LeftInTX Nov 2016 #78
Framing kenfrequed Nov 2016 #113
They are tired of refugees? treestar Nov 2016 #85
polls are meaningless because people lie IcyPeas Nov 2016 #25
Electronic voting is too easy to hack. Focus on that one issue and it will get better. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #27
Trust Nothing vdogg Nov 2016 #28
We need to run more populist candidates and give up on corporatist candidates. Lunabell Nov 2016 #29
Jesusfuck! Again with the "corporatist" and "bankster" bullshit?? Stop it already. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #37
Why should we stop? Lunabell Nov 2016 #49
Because it's stupid. And false. Paranoid and idiotic. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #59
Wow. Lunabell Nov 2016 #74
If Bernie had been the nominee, Trump would have lied about him, too, and deceived just as many. Tanuki Nov 2016 #88
Bernie was right Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #33
No he wasn't. He couldn't even defeat Hillary. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #60
Hard to win Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #63
Not to mention having the DNC as a wholly owned subsidiary... PassingFair Nov 2016 #99
Demographics are not destiny BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #34
Decisions.Are.Made.By.Those.Who.Show.Up. DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #35
Plus () Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #40
I think what it really comes down to Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #36
New Beginnings are sometimes disguised as Painful Endings calguy Nov 2016 #38
Racism is as American as cherry pie. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #39
That america started as a racist country and will die as one. libtodeath Nov 2016 #41
Thirdway Democrats gave us a President Trump. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #42
Why so few rec's?? There is a lot of insightful analysis in this thread BREMPRO Nov 2016 #43
Early voting liquid diamond Nov 2016 #45
Bernie was right. Democratic pols need to seek his advice, B Calm Nov 2016 #46
Never listen to the polls. Never, ever ever lunamagica Nov 2016 #47
If they go low MyNameGoesHere Nov 2016 #48
Amen crosinski Nov 2016 #65
Fixing an election is so easy and you can also easily get away with it. We need majority rule. Coyotl Nov 2016 #50
That would also include removing the 435 seat size limit on the U.S. House... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #51
Agreed Freddie Nov 2016 #52
That's what we have now. To undo the skew you ignore state boundaries. Coyotl Nov 2016 #54
I stated that you would leave the one seat states with their single seats. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #56
To our electorate, the least qualified marybourg Nov 2016 #53
That we need to do away Super Delegates B Calm Nov 2016 #57
Indeed so Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #64
When around 50% of registered voters are now registered independent B Calm Nov 2016 #79
Now have??? my god, it has always been that way... damn boston bean Nov 2016 #86
Not really Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #92
Never underestimate the power of fear (even if it is a media or candidate creation) .... etherealtruth Nov 2016 #61
lessons learned 0rganism Nov 2016 #62
all good points Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #77
Free press all day long and not being called on your shit is doable - if you're a rich man. bettyellen Nov 2016 #66
Bernie would have been just as antibigotry as Hillary in the fall. He always had been. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #67
I liked him a lot, but not his campaign which I though as 2/3 of Dems did was weak an initially bettyellen Nov 2016 #68
Excuse me, but none of us dislike people for working hard or following social conventions. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #69
I'm referring to the rust belt Trump voters- just read and article that summarized their attitudes bettyellen Nov 2016 #70
Thank you for clarifying that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #72
Still haven't found the article - but that part was the only bit that seemed new or interesting.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #109
I refer to them as the "Scots-Irish nobody gonna tell me what to do" contingent. They Nay Nov 2016 #94
That it's even more important than ever to stop Brexit... LeftishBrit Nov 2016 #75
Free stuff metroins Nov 2016 #80
The Electoral College is bullshit and should be repealed treestar Nov 2016 #82
Don't underestimate anger. Don't underestimate hate. Don't underestimate fear, jmg257 Nov 2016 #90
Losing sucks! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #95
That sexism is alive and well in 2016. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #97
That the electoral college is antiquated fuckery and needs to be reformed. n/t cynatnite Nov 2016 #100
My main take, aside from logosoco Nov 2016 #101
1) It should have been Bernie 2)Thanks DNC masmdu Nov 2016 #102
never underestimate the racism of americans mainer Nov 2016 #103
That the media has way to much fucking power & their agenda is profit based. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #108
Neoliberalism is dead. DirkGently Nov 2016 #110
that insulting people and calling them names is not an effective way to get them to vote for you? Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #112
1/2 of the country are racist, sexist assholes. They are horrible. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #116
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