2016 Postmortem

DirkGently

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58. If people were doing the math that carefully

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 12:46 PM

Nov 2016

Trump would have lost too. Taxes were overlooked in this election. Trump's imaginary program would bankrupt us, but no one cared.

This election turned on emotion. Hillary never had a problem with bloodless, "pragmatic" policy -- it's her strength. But it helped her not at all against a restless public still wanting change.

Remember how she mocked Obama's "pie in the sky" in 2008? Then she mocked Sanders the same way, for same thing. Then the electorate bought a madman's pie in the sky instead.

At least Sanders' difficult aspirations were for things that would actually do some good if they could be accomplished.

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The one huge reason why Bernie would have lost too (and never hear this discussed) [View all] Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 OP

I think you give the American people too much credit for doing BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #1

they would never had had to do any research, there would have been a million adverts Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #2

Paid for by WHOM? BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #3

Mercer, Thiel, Singer, etc the same billionaire goons who paid for the anti Clinton stuff Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #4

The same super pace running Hillary attack ads in the rust belt states? Where were you? bettyellen Nov 2016 #30

I'm in Michigan. During the last few weeks of the campaign, BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #60

I don't know details of the ad buys but I'd heard the opposite- could seem very different bettyellen Nov 2016 #61

the biggest reason is he lost to Clinton who is supposed to be a horrible candidate JI7 Nov 2016 #5

Uh... kenfrequed Nov 2016 #49

New Pre-Election Poll Suggests Bernie Sanders Could Have Trounced Donald Trump Wilms Nov 2016 #6

and zero percent of those polled were aware they would pay between 2000 and 25 thousand a year more Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #7

The pre-election polls also said Hillary would coast to victory DFW Nov 2016 #15

Always a ton of factors. But that's a pretty impressive poll. Wilms Nov 2016 #17

Polls? GMAB. I don't want to hear the word "poll" ever again lunamagica Nov 2016 #18

This is a false media narrative. The polls were closer this year than in 2012 Bonn1997 Nov 2016 #51

It's a baseless hypothetical - not running generally makes you 7-10% bettyellen Nov 2016 #31

Everyday. New talking points. Wilms Nov 2016 #35

Huh? There's been so many studies on this- new? Hardly bettyellen Nov 2016 #40

This election was DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #8

I think you underestimate the dynamic that has been kickstarted Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #10

No, I certainly do not underestimate the cost to us all DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #14

I still keep hoping I wake up and it was all just a loooong horrific dream Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #16

Even a loss by Bernie would have had a silver lining. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #9

I actually will agree with you there Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #11

And please keep in mind that I *do not* concede that Bernie would have lost. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #20

So only the guys get a free pass on all issues real and imagined? bettyellen Nov 2016 #32

What does gender have to do with this discussion? pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #44

Why do you think Sanders negatives would fall on deaf ears as Trump did? bettyellen Nov 2016 #46

Uhm... kenfrequed Nov 2016 #50

Well said.........I agree completely. pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #62

The American people Sunsky Nov 2016 #24

I chose her in 2008 --- we should of been electing Obama now for 8 years. n/t TrekLuver Nov 2016 #29

That's an argument that will never be settled one way or the other. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #12

agreed, and much will be revealed (strategy wise) on how much Trump cocks up the nation and world Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #13

Hilary lost! Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #19

so tell me how you sell the nation on 5000, 10,000, 25,000 usd a year (and up) Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #23

We lost because of all that free air time... physioex Nov 2016 #26

One of my favorite parts of Clintons platform was her tax plan. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #21

indeed! Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #22

You're not factoring in health insurance costs Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #25

Yes, emmadoggy Nov 2016 #27

Except they hurt the poorest among us a great deal- was not a fan... bettyellen Nov 2016 #33

The platform called for free tuition and basically free or near free universal health care Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #34

The costs of healthcare and tuition should be added to the other candidate's numbers Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #37

The only thing worse than Benghazi or emails is the word....SOCIALIST TrekLuver Nov 2016 #28

Bernie is crazy (and incorrect) to call himself a democratic socialist, he is a social democrat Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #36

People think he is a socialist and he would of been portrayed that way. Perception and spin is TrekLuver Nov 2016 #38

That chart is damning. Would have sealed it. bettyellen Nov 2016 #47

An even bigger reason: Michael Bloomberg duffyduff Nov 2016 #39

What would this independent candidate ran as, a Predatory Capitalist maybe. B Calm Nov 2016 #42

First thing that jumps out at me is the racism in that graphic. Yeah, I know that's petty, but... Bucky Nov 2016 #41

oh ffs, you are REALLY grasping at straws, did you even look at the rest of the calculator "colours" Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #43

I'm not talking about the rest of the icons. I'm talking about the ones showing Cruz and Trump Bucky Nov 2016 #54

same basic shade as Hillary Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #55

Bucky I love you/ but jokes about racism right now- with what we are going through as a nation..... bettyellen Nov 2016 #48

Not a joke. It was an observation. To many people "Cruz" means Hispanic means dark skin Bucky Nov 2016 #53

Fair point. I have friends afraid for their lives, so I'm not really worrying about avatars, but I bettyellen Nov 2016 #56

I have 180 students and as many as a 3rd of them are now living under threat to their families Bucky Nov 2016 #57

THANK YOU. Trump woulda used his business "cred" even more ericson00 Nov 2016 #45

Good post, well thought out and researched. wisteria Nov 2016 #52

If people were doing the math that carefully DirkGently Nov 2016 #58

big difference Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #59