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139. Your election system is flawed, it should be proportional representation. It baffles me that a
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 03:53 AM
Dec 2016

nominee gets 2 million votes over the electoral college an an asshole wins. That system is archaic. No wonder people do not turn out to vote, because their votes do not count. The system needs to be changed.

To be honest with you, the world is distressed with this asshole being president elect. Gawd, I was so looking forward to President Obama handing over to SOS Clinton.

Happy to rec this mcar Nov 2016 #1
Or like we cannot get 100000 more votes after four years of donald bravenak Nov 2016 #7
Whoah, Trump/Manson matchup is uncanny. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #222
Creepy as hell huh? bravenak Dec 2016 #224
Can't some liberal billionaires relocate a couple hundred thousand Democratic voters to where they deurbano Nov 2016 #44
No kidding. LisaM Nov 2016 #50
Excuse me, but NOBODY here thinks its NOT racist Ken Burch Nov 2016 #2
There are people here advocating abandoning one group or another. Renew Deal Nov 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Nov 2016 #14
Embracing Trump supporters is, by definition, an abandonment of minority Democrats EffieBlack Dec 2016 #161
those are privileged heaven05 Dec 2016 #184
yes they are heaven05 Dec 2016 #181
Where? sfwriter Nov 2016 #21
Could you provide a link to people recommending that? That would be reprehensible. nt el_bryanto Nov 2016 #25
I've now heard of few people who have made bigoted comments and suggestions. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #60
You'll be waiting a long time melman Dec 2016 #146
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #151
People here are certainly doing that, Ken mcar Nov 2016 #19
What's being said is that we need to address class in addition to bigotry. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #29
Yes, let's walk and chew gum at the same time mcar Nov 2016 #32
And she didn't really try to sell the economic message at all LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #84
Do you really not get it? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #162
In that case, it can be about making non-voters into voters. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #174
We need fewer than a hundred thousand more votes in swing states to win next time bravenak Dec 2016 #182
We're not that far apart. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #189
No reason to waste your energy trying to reason with insanity bravenak Dec 2016 #192
Well, I hope so. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #196
He sure is. But not a politician. bravenak Dec 2016 #198
This has been all over today mcar Dec 2016 #233
My god, who the hell is saying "embrace hate"? This needs to STOP. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #31
I live in rural RW Florida mcar Nov 2016 #33
That is not what is being said Lithos Dec 2016 #156
I agree with those who say we should find a different term than "identity politics". Ken Burch Dec 2016 #202
Actually, plenty of people do EffieBlack Dec 2016 #160
I'm not ever going to tell you to not attack racists. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #175
That's not the choice Renew Deal Nov 2016 #3
They don't care about policies that promote a better life for all bravenak Nov 2016 #5
We care about a better life for all Renew Deal Nov 2016 #10
And our policies already promote that bravenak Nov 2016 #11
Thats not the choice you're offering Renew Deal Nov 2016 #17
They dont CARE what I offer bravenak Nov 2016 #20
And "All Lives Matter" too.... n/t TygrBright Nov 2016 #53
We don't have to get ALL white men. Just about 14% of them. rzemanfl Nov 2016 #6
We just need 150000 more votes than last time in certain states bravenak Nov 2016 #9
Dumbasses in hopelessly red states would feel neglected. rzemanfl Nov 2016 #18
I chose other. SomethingNew Nov 2016 #8
Wtf. Is this strawman week? progressoid Nov 2016 #12
Yes bravenak Nov 2016 #15
That's not a strawman. You go after the votes of the troglodites who were willing to Squinch Nov 2016 #52
Well considering that multiple requests have been made to verify that people here are mythology Nov 2016 #86
+1 progressoid Dec 2016 #167
Where is the "None of the above" option? LonePirate Nov 2016 #13
That is other bravenak Nov 2016 #16
Democratic Party Internal Struggle for Power? jalan48 Nov 2016 #22
The same folks are still in the same positions as usual bravenak Nov 2016 #23
That could change with more "Identity Politics". No? jalan48 Nov 2016 #26
Targeting people of white identity is NOT identity politics? bravenak Nov 2016 #35
No-white people are not an "Identity" group currently. jalan48 Nov 2016 #43
White is an identity if black is an identity bravenak Nov 2016 #48
What does dealing with race have to do with it? Why do we have to "lose" a group? jalan48 Nov 2016 #56
You are the one that seems annoyed by identity politics bravenak Nov 2016 #62
Not annoyed-I don't think it's an effective strategy. This election was a good example. jalan48 Nov 2016 #69
But you don't mind white identity politics, because to you white is just a political status. Got it! bravenak Nov 2016 #71
What is white identity politics? jalan48 Nov 2016 #78
What is it? It is the standard of american politics. White centered politics. bravenak Nov 2016 #81
What is "white centered politics"? Do you think it's happening in our Party? jalan48 Nov 2016 #87
The republican party is a white centered party bravenak Nov 2016 #89
I agree with what you say about Republicans. jalan48 Nov 2016 #98
I think our voters were depressed by the non stop positive focus on Donald and the constant bravenak Nov 2016 #99
The media handed the election to Trump. Personally, I don't think it was all because of ratings. jalan48 Nov 2016 #107
Yep, we do have to give them our pitch bravenak Nov 2016 #108
Trump used white identity politics with a shit tonne of overt racism Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #148
tRump won the white male vote by appealing to racism, sexism, xenophobia, anti-semitism ... etherealtruth Nov 2016 #24
Me neither. I also will not participate in that. And I always vote bravenak Nov 2016 #36
Far too many aren't aware of how wide spread... NCTraveler Nov 2016 #27
I don't do polls.. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #28
You totally and completely miss the point. Many voted for Trump who are NOT "racist." Your thinking RBInMaine Nov 2016 #30
Who voted to deport muslims and mexicans and are not racist? bravenak Nov 2016 #37
How are the elections since 2008 going for you? Red Oak Nov 2016 #38
My state got gay marriage and legal weed since 08 bravenak Nov 2016 #41
And yet they were okay with voting for a Man who campaigned on a racist xenophobic platform.. JHan Dec 2016 #226
If they voted for a racist, BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #229
None, nor is it necessary quaker bill Nov 2016 #34
This is a BS post that just continues to tear the Democratic party apart Red Oak Nov 2016 #39
Fortunately, it doesn't work that way Dem2 Nov 2016 #40
Maybe you like the looks of the red/blue post-election map, but I don't. democrank Nov 2016 #42
So who are you willing to give up to appeal to rural white men? bravenak Nov 2016 #46
Become a bigger tent. MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #114
Rural whites stopped voting democratic after the civil rights act was passed bravenak Dec 2016 #115
The Governor's race in NC disproves your assertion. appal_jack Dec 2016 #169
And BLACK VOTERS bravenak Dec 2016 #173
Why yes; black voters were absolutely essential to this Dem victory. nt appal_jack Dec 2016 #185
Again, I'm not willing to give up anyone. democrank Dec 2016 #152
I'm fine with going after non voters as opposed to Trump voters bravenak Dec 2016 #153
Good ideas, bravenak. democrank Dec 2016 #155
None Bear Creek Nov 2016 #45
So only focus on money, ignore the issues that effect or ability to achieve equality like social bravenak Nov 2016 #47
Social Justice Bear Creek Nov 2016 #58
That is not social justice by any means. Look it up bravenak Nov 2016 #63
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #72
Not it is not bravenak Nov 2016 #73
Definition Bear Creek Nov 2016 #77
You missed the opportunities and really a dictionary does not do it justice bravenak Nov 2016 #79
You told him to look it up GummyBearz Dec 2016 #199
I didn't say where. Just like when I say look up Lysistrata I don't suggest using wikipedia bravenak Dec 2016 #200
We don't need to sell one group down the river to appeal to another... PatsFan87 Nov 2016 #49
I wouldn't mind giving up the Wall Street vote shawn703 Nov 2016 #51
Other: People who use false choices. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #54
Amen. Canadaexpat2 Dec 2016 #168
I know more white men who voted for Clinton than voted for Herr Drumpf. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2016 #55
Truth bravenak Nov 2016 #64
If you can't beat them sarisataka Nov 2016 #57
Pretty sure this is the textbook definition of a false dichotomy. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #59
Not really. It's just based on history. bravenak Nov 2016 #65
Why do you assume we'd have to drop some group SpareribSP Nov 2016 #101
Because many of them are opposed to equality for all bravenak Nov 2016 #106
You do not have to compromise you values, nor should you SpareribSP Dec 2016 #111
Trump woo'd them by being racist. It worked. Nothing more to do about that bravenak Dec 2016 #113
[Citation Needed] SpareribSP Dec 2016 #120
Not all white people voted for Trump bravenak Dec 2016 #122
Sure SpareribSP Dec 2016 #123
Nope. I am set on the fact that voting for an unabashed racist makes you racist bravenak Dec 2016 #124
Sure SpareribSP Dec 2016 #125
Because thats what appeals to them bravenak Dec 2016 #126
A few things about this SpareribSP Dec 2016 #132
We are not talking about all white people. We are talking whites that voted for Trump bravenak Dec 2016 #134
And of those SpareribSP Dec 2016 #137
You seriously do not see the hypocrisy in your posts? You wish for the demise of old white males .. cliffside Dec 2016 #138
Did you resign up just for little old me? bravenak Dec 2016 #140
Do not flatter yourself too much, Trump does that and it unbecoming. nt cliffside Dec 2016 #147
You still goin? bravenak Dec 2016 #149
K&R heaven05 Nov 2016 #61
It's ridiculous bravenak Nov 2016 #68
Dunno. White women voted for Trump over Hillary by a 9 point margin, 52-43 progree Nov 2016 #66
Yeah. But they are swing voters, not fifty year reliable repubs like the men bravenak Nov 2016 #76
I hope so, but they are not "swing voters" -- they voted for Romney by a 14 point margin and progree Nov 2016 #82
Get the "white men" vote and not lose any reliable Democrats. earthside Nov 2016 #67
We already do that. Or do you think we only give benefits to certain groups and not offer our bravenak Nov 2016 #70
Benefits? earthside Nov 2016 #85
What do you think economic growth is? It is a benefit we recieve living in this nation. bravenak Nov 2016 #88
Looks like at least one guy up there was honest about his feelings. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #74
I know, right? bravenak Nov 2016 #75
How are they even allowed to vote? johnp3907 Dec 2016 #234
Nobody. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #80
All the racist rednecks I know wanted to vote in the general for Bernie. harun Nov 2016 #83
You're shitten me ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #118
Doesn't that make Bernie so much more appealing to you? It does for me. bravenak Dec 2016 #119
all dems have to do is stop ignoring rw radio certainot Nov 2016 #90
We need to stop ignoring that and get some loud unapologeitc people on the airwaves bravenak Nov 2016 #91
Amen. One of the best ways for rich Dems to spend their money progree Nov 2016 #94
That sucks. We might need to start a DU web based show online bravenak Nov 2016 #96
have to stop letting our universities support rw radio certainot Dec 2016 #116
Thats true. We let them get away with too much at our expense bravenak Dec 2016 #117
How about a poll on how we fix the broken Fourth Estate? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #92
It's not a fourth estate, it's a fifth column. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2016 #95
Right on Xipe Totec! SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #127
Do whatever kind of poll you like bravenak Nov 2016 #97
reliable democrats? Xipe Totec Nov 2016 #93
Other. Martin Eden Nov 2016 #100
KnR Hekate Nov 2016 #102
K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #103
Bankers Bad Thoughts Nov 2016 #104
Good one bravenak Nov 2016 #105
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #110
Very small group of people bravenak Dec 2016 #112
Then it's an easy trade-off Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #121
This is fabulous! betsuni Dec 2016 #128
Fri Jun 6, 2014 "After you old guys are gone the rest of us will make up the new majority." cliffside Dec 2016 #129
That was an all time great post of mine bravenak Dec 2016 #130
Seriously? Do you not see that dividing people by race and age is not something to be championed? cliffside Dec 2016 #131
It was truly great bravenak Dec 2016 #133
"the old white men who are standing in the way of progress.." cliffside Dec 2016 #141
Nothing better to do? bravenak Dec 2016 #142
I call them as as I see them, just as others did with your divisive posts in 2014 ... cliffside Dec 2016 #145
You just signed up to complain about my post from almost three years ago? How. Normal. bravenak Dec 2016 #150
I Agree. johnp3907 Dec 2016 #201
It is not only white men who voted against Mrs. Clinton, a lot of women did too. akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #135
I never was much for polls, I just dont trust them bravenak Dec 2016 #136
Your election system is flawed, it should be proportional representation. It baffles me that a akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #139
Trump won a greater % of the Hispanic and African-American vote than Romney. MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #171
So? She got over two millions more votes bravenak Dec 2016 #177
Ok, so you're saying we should give up on white men, African-Americans, AND Hispanics? MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #179
I say we should GIVE UP ON REPUBLICANS bravenak Dec 2016 #180
I'm not willing to trade ANY MFM008 Dec 2016 #143
Agreed bravenak Dec 2016 #144
Some of those reliable Democrats turned out to be not so reliable oberliner Dec 2016 #154
Then why aren't we wooing them instead of wooing Trump voters? Nt gollygee Dec 2016 #163
Is it possible to craft a message that would have broad appeal? oberliner Dec 2016 #165
She would have won if we got a hundred thousand more voters in swing states bravenak Dec 2016 #176
She could have won in an electoral college landslide oberliner Dec 2016 #231
Which ones did Obama sacrifice? Obama won, so based on your premise he had to Exilednight Dec 2016 #157
None! Fuck 'em. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #158
I could have written this. But I didn't. You did. And I love you for it! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #159
The Democratic Party is a big tent party and cannot throw away groups Gothmog Dec 2016 #164
None. I'm a white guy. Rec, nt. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #166
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #170
I get your point, and it is a clever rhetorical mechanism hueymahl Dec 2016 #172
no, the OP is correct heaven05 Dec 2016 #178
Yup ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #183
I can promise you not all Trump voters are racist hueymahl Dec 2016 #188
Hell no they aren't heaven05 Dec 2016 #191
If I had to choose a particular demographic to abandon, to get some white folk voting, it'd have to Glassunion Dec 2016 #186
It would certainly sacrifice my vote if the party starts pandering to Trump voters bravenak Dec 2016 #187
Wrong metric....you don't have to give up one to get the other... Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #190
Yes you do. To pander to them you'd need to ignore minority concerns and shut us up bravenak Dec 2016 #197
Bullshit...you are angry..I get that Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #205
They do and you can deny it but you are now letting them set the reality bravenak Dec 2016 #207
I'm not letting any one set reality....EXCEPT for the the GE... Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #210
Yes it was. The tea party was racist as fuck against the muslim kenyan in the whitehouse bravenak Dec 2016 #211
More hyperble....do you know anything about the "Tea Party"..I studied it...wasn't racist based. Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #216
Yes it was bravenak Dec 2016 #217
And we had GWBush Nazi posters...Here we allowed callin a POSTUS Chimpy... Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #220
GWB acted like he was one so we called him one. That was not race based like witchdoctor posters bravenak Dec 2016 #221
That makes it better??? Do you not see the hypocrisy... Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #225
Nazi is not a race it is an ideology bravenak Dec 2016 #227
Never claimed it was.... Nancyswidower Dec 2016 #230
Broad brush much? Not everyone would refuse to belong to a club that allows white men. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #193
I would if it was a political club and they were republican white men bravenak Dec 2016 #194
The limousine ones GummyBearz Dec 2016 #195
corporate dems and war mongers Lunabell Dec 2016 #203
... GummyBearz Dec 2016 #212
whites had no problem voting for Reagan Repubs radius777 Dec 2016 #213
NONE of them Brave! WE ARE the Democratic base, WE ARE THE LEFT! Maru Kitteh Dec 2016 #204
I also refuse to step aside so they can get served first bravenak Dec 2016 #206
Racists. Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #208
I should have made that an option bravenak Dec 2016 #209
the berniebot alt-left has alot in common w/trumper alt-right, radius777 Dec 2016 #214
They are all super dooper nostalgic for 'better times' bravenak Dec 2016 #215
Exactly. the old FDR Dem party was a Dixiecrat party radius777 Dec 2016 #218
I agree with you completely bravenak Dec 2016 #219
Thank you for posting (and bravenak, too) frazzled Dec 2016 #223
None! BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #228
Me too. I'm done with them bravenak Dec 2016 #232
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