Maybe you should lose the preacher crap (Reply #134)

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Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:50 PM

Mnpaul (3,655 posts)

134. Maybe you should lose the preacher crap

it's more authoritarian nonsense. Some facts to back all your "preaching" might help as well. You always seem to run away when presented with them.

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Why would any liberal support Hillary over Bernie? [View all]	ram2008	Jul 2015	OP
Where is Bernie on legalization?	LordGlenconner	Jul 2015	#1
Because she can beat the GOP in the general election.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#2
That was her 2008 argument against Obama n/t	ram2008	Jul 2015	#4
You asked, I answered. This is 2016, and there is no Obama.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#6
No, there is no Obama, but there is Bernie.	Man of Distinction	Jul 2015	#18
But there is Donald Trump.	Voice for Peace	Jul 2015	#81
Oh Dan, Dan, Dan ...	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#87
There is someone better than Obama. I supported Obama but	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#234
I was talking about electability, not policy.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#235
Electability? Then you should be more worried about Hillary. Bernie has been	sabrina 1	Jul 2015	#238
I'm pretty confident that Hillary is much more electable.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#239
Seems to me like Sanders will have a harder time beating HRC than the GOP	phantom power	Jul 2015	#23
Do NOT underestimate the GOP as weak. The did that with bush W. Also, the Koch brothers are	still_one	Jul 2015	#34
Yeah, and the general is likely to be Bush V Clinton	tavalon	Jul 2015	#58
At which point I write in E. Windsor.	Jester Messiah	Jul 2015	#191
And a few millions to rig the voting.	erronis	Jul 2015	#65
And I think a lot more will join Anonymous if they try to rig the counting, etc. too	cascadiance	Jul 2015	#77
You don't know that	madokie	Jul 2015	#31
Not for certain, no. But that's my best assessment of political reality.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#38
The name is Bernie Sanders	madokie	Jul 2015	#40
Elizabeth Warren	zentrum	Jul 2015	#62
Hopefully I'll still be here to see that	madokie	Jul 2015	#64
I hope so too!	zentrum	Jul 2015	#85
I would rather see her stay in the senate and become even more of a powerhouse.	eggplant	Jul 2015	#128
Not if Bernie wins! n/t	aggiesal	Jul 2015	#153
I love your confidence re Bernie.	Voice for Peace	Jul 2015	#86
Bernie is taking his message into conservative strongholds.	Voice for Peace	Jul 2015	#83
What Bernie is saying is what	hifiguy	Jul 2015	#113
I respectfully disagree. Bernie has Moderate R's as well as liberal progressives in his camp. His	peacebird	Jul 2015	#101
Fair enough. But that disagreement answers the OPs question.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#130
Understood, please know - we like different candidates, but ultimately are on the same side!	peacebird	Jul 2015	#135
I agree. We are all on the same side.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#137
Cheers!	peacebird	Jul 2015	#140
We can't know until someone starts polling Bernie matchups.	Adrahil	Jul 2015	#198
This "reason" bugs me.	Beartracks	Jul 2015	#104
All things being equal, I prefer Sanders.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#131
Oh Contraire	Caretha	Jul 2015	#144
Unlikely	Man from Pickens	Jul 2015	#109
There is a veritable	hifiguy	Jul 2015	#120
It isn't the skeleton.	kenfrequed	Jul 2015	#148
Completely agree	dreamnightwind	Jul 2015	#172
That's it, exactly. Sanders would just end up another "great 'populist' hope." I don't want it to	Hoyt	Jul 2015	#182
+1 nt	Adrahil	Jul 2015	#197
The best reason I've heard is that she's more likely to win the general	drm604	Jul 2015	#3
For example, me. If I believed Bernie could win the GE, then I would support him.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#7
One thing I've noticed is that some right-wing acquantances seem to like him.	drm604	Jul 2015	#12
I worry about him being able to get independents/moderates/swing voters.	DanTex	Jul 2015	#21
people just need to listen to him ONCE and those socialist labels lose their meaning.	Voice for Peace	Jul 2015	#91
Bernie will do best with independents	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#165
There really are very few, TRUE indies/swing voters.	John Poet	Jul 2015	#216
Sanders frames the economic and social debates in moral terms, which they like.	Qutzupalotl	Jul 2015	#27
The Primary is not the General	tavalon	Jul 2015	#60
Yes - voting for the Lesser Good in the Primary,	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#11
Wow, concise and says it all, that's a keeper - eom	dreamnightwind	Jul 2015	#174
There's just no way she'd do better in the general election.	dirtydickcheney	Jul 2015	#17
I would suggest they don't need to "give" a reason...	Agschmid	Jul 2015	#5
I can not answer that question.	SamKnause	Jul 2015	#8
.	99th_Monkey	Jul 2015	#9
Because I am liberal and I am supporting a liberal candidate Hillary Clinton.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#10
"Talking, Advocate"	ram2008	Jul 2015	#13
You ask the question why liberals supported Hillary and I provided some reasons why I support her.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#25
This why I didn't reply ....	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#90
Yes I know, they ask a question but do not want an answer. Where do some people get their	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#115
There seems to be some joy over attracting conservative votes, but aren't liberal. So I pose this	freshwest	Jul 2015	#162
It's not puzzling. They want Bernie to win the primaries so the Republicans don't have to face	lunamagica	Jul 2015	#180
I've read GOP websites that say exactly what you said... n/t	freshwest	Jul 2015	#184
Yep- he's not the magic candidate who can talk about raising taxes and get away with it-	bettyellen	Jul 2015	#199
Advocating is most of what Bernie Sanders has too	mythology	Jul 2015	#150
+1 especially the immigration reform part	lunamagica	Jul 2015	#30
......	daleanime	Jul 2015	#41
Does Bernie have any experience on ending wars?	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#44
Didn't want to start them.	daleanime	Jul 2015	#45
I don't like war either but sometimes the realization of needed action. I would bet if Israel was	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#47
Are we down to hoping an ally gets attacked?	daleanime	Jul 2015	#51
Is that how you read what was written? I didn't. But why are you arguing?	Moonwalk	Jul 2015	#72
My apologies, but please tell me exactly what I said....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#84
Thinkingaboutit answered honestly a question about why a liberal would support Hilary....	Moonwalk	Jul 2015	#175
Gun control is authoritarian	Mnpaul	Jul 2015	#46
Oh really.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#48
Not hard to figure out	Mnpaul	Jul 2015	#57
Now I hear the choir preaching to the preacher. I am aware if what liberal is.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#119
Suing a manufacturer because an individual shoots someone with a gun	Mnpaul	Jul 2015	#121
Let's agree to disagree. Every thing on gun issues is opposed by NRA.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#129
Maybe you should lose the preacher crap	Mnpaul	Jul 2015	#134
Hey, are practicing the authoritian crap and towards others what to do?	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#154
She is Third Way	tavalon	Jul 2015	#63
The Third Way is a think tank, people getting together to find solutions for problems, they have	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#200
I have researched it	tavalon	Jul 2015	#207
You are joking, right?	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#211
The Third Way are neither Liberals nor Democrats	LondonReign2	Jul 2015	#240
No, look at their membership. I for one refuse to be renamed by others who wants to run this	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#243
Truth isn't a talking point. Third Wayers explicitly promore Republican economic policies.	LondonReign2	Jul 2015	#244
They have a business plan, something which is needed to an operation as large as the givernment.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#245
What you laughably refer to as a business plan is a conglomeration of the	LondonReign2	Jul 2015	#246
It is over, bye.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#247
I'm sorry, facts sting, don't they?	LondonReign2	Jul 2015	#248
Hillary is corporate owned who will promise us cake...	Rockyj	Jul 2015	#195
Owned like Bernie is owned by NRA and listens to lobbyists from energy, tobacco and oil industries?	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#201
I call bs on your "ownership" canard	corkhead	Jul 2015	#202
I used his voting record on gun issues, it is Bernie's voting record.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#203
Something about stones and glass houses comes to mind when it comes to you talking about lobbyists	corkhead	Jul 2015	#204
Swift boat attacks was lies, you can not say Bernie's voting record is a lie. Also, Wall Street is	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#205
Follow the $$$	Capn Sunshine	Jul 2015	#212
Ifollowed the money. When Bernie was running against Peter Smith the NRA gave $18000 in ads against	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#219
The NRA gives Bernie a "D minus" on their issues.	John Poet	Jul 2015	#217
NRA rates Bernie as an "F"	LondonReign2	Jul 2015	#241
Did he vote against the Brady Bill? Yes, that rates him a F on gun control issues for me.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#242
That depends how you define liberal	sadoldgirl	Jul 2015	#14
Defining liberal as being the same liberal voter for fifty years, this would make me a lifelong	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#32
Who was the most liberal president ever?	JaneyVee	Jul 2015	#39
I like Hillary more than Sanders.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#15
DUCK!!!!	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#94
I read below a poster doesn't think we are real Democrats.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#95
Oh course we're not!	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#99
Comments like the one below is why DU feels like it is going downhill.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#100
Same thing I've been saying	marym625	Jul 2015	#16
Beats me.	AtomicKitten	Jul 2015	#19
Then this makes Bernue's vote on AUMF not liberal also.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#26
Shhhhh!	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#102
Gotcha	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#116
Who was the most liberal president ever?	JaneyVee	Jul 2015	#37
What point are you trying to make for the 2nd time??? Okay, I give? You name the most liberal !!!!	trueblue2007	Jul 2015	#54
Twentieth century only	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#59
Because they (and she) are not liberals, but Repub Lite.	kath	Jul 2015	#20
There are millions of prople who fought for the Working CLass and Organized LABOR...	bvar22	Jul 2015	#22
I have been a union organizer also, I am a liberal and despite a claim otherwise does not change the	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#29
No, one thing Third Wayers are not is liberal. n/t	cui bono	Jul 2015	#33
Your post survived an alert, 0-7, LOL	hay rick	Jul 2015	#88
Wow what a shocker ..	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#98
I am liking you. nt	sheshe2	Jul 2015	#122
Mob rule is teh awesome!	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2015	#132
Thanks! Looks like someone won't be alerting for the next 16 hours or so.	kath	Jul 2015	#170
Jury results.	zeemike	Jul 2015	#89
Thanks for posting that. I think the poster who was alerted on should always receive jury resultsand	kath	Jul 2015	#171
.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#92
I know right?	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#105
Typical.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#106
Who are "they"?	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#96
You are calling Clinton supporters Republicans?	oberliner	Jul 2015	#111
Quite true	Doctor_J	Jul 2015	#118
What drivel.	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2015	#139
Wow, that is some hilarious shtick	shenmue	Jul 2015	#168
Given the number of Democratic votes ...	NanceGreggs	Jul 2015	#183
that would mean most Democrats and large majority of all minorities, lgbt and women are repub lite	JI7	Jul 2015	#173
That is ok Kath. I feel similarly about some of her detractors here.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#210
This message was self-deleted by its author	DemocratSinceBirth	Jul 2015	#24
Pony?	daleanime	Jul 2015	#28
Good for you. I'm supporting whoever the Dem nominee is.	JaneyVee	Jul 2015	#35
and THAT is exactly Bernie Sanders position as well	Capn Sunshine	Jul 2015	#213
A very good question.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#36
If Bernie wins the nomination it will be a replay of 1972, and I will vote for him. What will	demosincebirth	Jul 2015	#42
Not with voters under 50	fbc	Jul 2015	#78
You were obviously not around in 1972	eridani	Jul 2015	#187
Sir/Madame, your assumption, in this case, is wrong. The first president I voted for was JFk,	demosincebirth	Jul 2015	#220
How did you ever manage to miss the culture wars?	eridani	Jul 2015	#223
either you didn't read my 1st post or you're assuming (again) what you think I said, which I didn't	demosincebirth	Jul 2015	#224
I think it comes down to fear and hate, which are intertwined.	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#43
Boom.	hifiguy	Jul 2015	#123
I'm a liberal and I support Clinton.	demosincebirth	Jul 2015	#49
Woop! Woop!	ronnykmarshall	Jul 2015	#97
Insulting voters is not a good way to advocate for your candidate.	frazzled	Jul 2015	#50
why.would.a.Progressive.Democrat.support.Bernie.over.OMalley?	KittyWampus	Jul 2015	#52
Seriously?	DisgustipatedinCA	Jul 2015	#152
Hes.progressive.Even.on.gun.control.which.Bernie.isnt	KittyWampus	Jul 2015	#193
broken.windows.	frylock	Jul 2015	#236
A Very Good Question - Why Would Any Democrat Support A DLC Third Way Corporatist	cantbeserious	Jul 2015	#53
Because they are usually the only ones left in the General	tavalon	Jul 2015	#66
Hillary isn't a liberal. She's a centrist, establishment candidate.	jalan48	Jul 2015	#55
good question nt	heaven05	Jul 2015	#56
I am a liberal and old time DUer	realFedUp	Jul 2015	#61
Because 72% of identified liberals support her......	Historic NY	Jul 2015	#67
0% of liberals support her.	FiveGoodMen	Jul 2015	#69
Prove it....	Historic NY	Jul 2015	#70
If the word liberal has any meaning at all	FiveGoodMen	Jul 2015	#75
That's a very authoritarian perspective on the definition of liberal....	kjones	Jul 2015	#124
You do realize that if words have no fixed meaning, then no conversation is possible	FiveGoodMen	Jul 2015	#127
Ah, but you're not fighting for the fixed definition	kjones	Jul 2015	#143
Circular "reasoning."	okasha	Jul 2015	#166
This message was self-deleted by its author	Corruption Inc	Jul 2015	#76
Yes, yes, of course.	NanceGreggs	Jul 2015	#138
This is ridiculous	oberliner	Jul 2015	#145
that means there are very few liberals in this country so how is sanders going to win ?	JI7	Jul 2015	#177
No liberal ever would.	FiveGoodMen	Jul 2015	#68
fear	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#71
Actually what I'm seeing is a lot of fear that he can win.	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#108
That's not coming from liberals though	ibegurpard	Jul 2015	#136
self-identified liberals, nonetheless	frylock	Jul 2015	#237
This message was self-deleted by its author	Corruption Inc	Jul 2015	#73
"There will be no Hillary supporters voting for Bernie"	kjones	Jul 2015	#133
This message was self-deleted by its author	Corruption Inc	Jul 2015	#156
Well, to put it simply, you're operating with false assumptions	kjones	Jul 2015	#188
Rec'd	ibewlu606	Jul 2015	#74
They believe Hillary has a better chance of getting liberal policies passed...	Spitfire of ATJ	Jul 2015	#79
I see what you did there!	99Forever	Jul 2015	#93
Brilliant!	kath	Jul 2015	#125
yes, we have to nominate a conservative so we can win and pass liberal laws	Doctor_J	Jul 2015	#158
Of course! You can't risk conservative criticism!	Spitfire of ATJ	Jul 2015	#159
good post	fbc	Jul 2015	#80
And how could ANY knowledgeable progressive vote for anyone who ...	DrBulldog	Jul 2015	#82
I don't get it either.	cui bono	Jul 2015	#103
Beats the living bejesus out of me	hifiguy	Jul 2015	#107
The differences are astounding, and the choice	NorthCarolina	Jul 2015	#110
She's not promising things she can't deliver. And with a Republican House until Jan 2023 at least	stevenleser	Jul 2015	#112
I hope that thise who "don't get it" and say "beats me" read this post	lunamagica	Jul 2015	#157
^^^^ THIS ^^^^	COLGATE4	Jul 2015	#227
No idea	Doctor_J	Jul 2015	#114
Because she can beat the Republicans..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#117
What makes you so sure she can?	morningfog	Jul 2015	#164
Several reasons..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#189
So are you saying anyone who supports Hillary can't be a liberal?	still_one	Jul 2015	#126
They would certainly be inconsistant.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2015	#146
Good points	still_one	Jul 2015	#160
He can't win a general	Kammer	Jul 2015	#141
I like Bernie and would certainly vote for him if he wins the primary. I still favor HRC.	kelliekat44	Jul 2015	#142
I think it comes down to competitiveness	smiley	Jul 2015	#147
Most liberals will not support her over Sanders.	DisgustipatedinCA	Jul 2015	#149
They're all just politicians.	wildeyed	Jul 2015	#151
Some want the "sure win" over actual liberal ideas. (nt)	Inkfreak	Jul 2015	#155
They're not playing to win, they're playing not to lose.	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#178
I am voting for Hillary because	LuvLoogie	Jul 2015	#161
Many reasons	BainsBane	Jul 2015	#163
Preach it, Sister!	okasha	Jul 2015	#167
Yes! Sing it!	shenmue	Jul 2015	#169
Bam!!	ismnotwasm	Jul 2015	#179
Bravo!!!	lunamagica	Jul 2015	#181
That was a mind and soul soothing post.	LuvLoogie	Jul 2015	#185
crickets	kjones	Jul 2015	#226
Good for you!	BainsBane	Jul 2015	#228
Don't think of it as being ignored	kjones	Jul 2015	#232
I guess the real question should be why would a Democrat (Liberal) be supporting Bernie over Hillary	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#176
Money. 1%ers. They want theirs.	LeftOfWest	Jul 2015	#186
Which is exactly why I have lost faith in the one person one vote system	davidpdx	Jul 2015	#218
because she will be an awesome president. nt	arely staircase	Jul 2015	#190
I generally find money is a fairly large factor for some reason.	raouldukelives	Jul 2015	#192
Hillary can win the general election	Progressive dog	Jul 2015	#194
Answer: Liberals don't.	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#196
OK...I live in the liberal state of California	Hepburn	Jul 2015	#206
--> BECAUSE SHE CAN WIN <--	Herman4747	Jul 2015	#208
Bernie tried to stop H-1b visa abuse, Hillary pushed for more H-1b visas	HFRN	Jul 2015	#209
Getting tired of being told what this liberal can do and whom she can support.	McCamy Taylor	Jul 2015	#214
Why does a liberal have to be reminded different people think differently?	Recursion	Jul 2015	#215
Liberalism and socialism are very different things	The Second Stone	Jul 2015	#221
They wouldn't. n/t	PowerToThePeople	Jul 2015	#222
Neo-liberals support her.	LWolf	Jul 2015	#225
The main reason we hear is 'he can't win'	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#229
If it's just an "excuse", explain clearly how he campaigns and wins a national election.	brooklynite	Jul 2015	#231
It's a generic excuse	AgingAmerican	Jul 2015	#233
That was a great break down showing how far right	WDIM	Jul 2015	#230

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