2016 Postmortem

RiverLover

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67. You said I was tone deaf. The fact that you are pushing for Hillary here is all that I'm getting.

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:09 PM

Jul 2015

I didn't post this for "my candidate". I'm for Bernie, or O'Malley, since my candidate of choice has chosen to sit it out...

I posted it because no matter how hard the Hillary group here has pushed that this was about #BLM, when it was #BLM "protesting" a CIVIL RIGHTS SUPPORTER from his college days, it finally made sense with this insider's article. I really can't tell you how upsetting it was to have #BLM attack our candidates. The only ones happy about it are Hillary & the RW.

I'm really not trying to change anyone's mind. I know for many here, that isn't the case. But in my case, I think I know how this will all play out, no matter what we post on DU. And when it does, I'll be going to the Green Party. Like the author of this OP did after years within the Democratic Party. This article has had a profound affect on me in many ways.

I'm finally seeing things as they are. Not only within the Democratic Party, but also at DU.

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"NetRoots Nation Confrontation Wasn't About #BlackLivesMatter At All" [View all] RiverLover Jul 2015 OP

Oh, please! The BAR? bravenak Jul 2015 #1

Reaching....for something here. RiverLover Jul 2015 #3

Here: bravenak Jul 2015 #8

I didn't write it. A black activist did. RiverLover Jul 2015 #9

From the BAR. bravenak Jul 2015 #13

What is it about the BAR that you feel is a problem with what they report? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #20

I'm with brave JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #77

Thank you. I sincerely appreciate your direct answer. Zorra Jul 2015 #93

Funny the BAR should be making the BLM protest ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #14

Without knowing the anti white JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #78

Isn't that the what Ford and the BAR is known for? AOR Jul 2015 #123

question spqr78 Jul 2015 #127

Because I see progressives .... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #134

Huh? spqr78 Jul 2015 #173

I cannot be more clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #191

Yep. The BAR is all about attention. bravenak Jul 2015 #149

What are some good sources to read, please? historylovr Jul 2015 #179

I like alot of sources. bravenak Jul 2015 #180

Thanks! Much appreciated. historylovr Jul 2015 #182

You're welcome, enjoy!nt bravenak Jul 2015 #183

omg.... BooScout Jul 2015 #2

This was written by a black leftie with an insiders view. RiverLover Jul 2015 #4

by all means continue... BooScout Jul 2015 #6

Don't worry BAR IS tweeted all over the place... AOR Jul 2015 #120

Who reads the BAR? bravenak Jul 2015 #150

Opinions vary... AOR Jul 2015 #159

BAR is a joke with black folks. bravenak Jul 2015 #160

We should call it: bravenak Jul 2015 #161

Your choice to engage or not... AOR Jul 2015 #165

You should learn to have fun joking with me even if we disagree. bravenak Jul 2015 #166

Some humor and sarcasm is good bravenak... AOR Jul 2015 #175

So because one black leftie says it, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #10

Is that written anywhere? RiverLover Jul 2015 #11

See my post #14 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #15

+ 1 and I'm interested in the answer JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #83

So am I ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #87

Today was the first I've heard of BAR. I found this author's insider view on the NRN fiasco RiverLover Jul 2015 #114

So you have no response to explaining the difference ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #131

How about the fact that what #BLM did was LOVED by conservatives, when they ambushed Leftwing RiverLover Jul 2015 #138

This analysis you quote is absurd. It is all conjecture and imagination. kwassa Jul 2015 #158

Everything is a Conspiracy. bravenak Jul 2015 #162

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." kwassa Jul 2015 #168

I agree. bravenak Jul 2015 #170

+1 ... And the data shows, conservatives love Bernie ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #187

That doesn't answer my question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #186

You won't get a straight answer Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #190

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #192

! Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #198

Yes ... She did ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #202

Why, no... Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #209

+100 zappaman Jul 2015 #140

Leftie? Really? MineralMan Jul 2015 #71

I refer to myself as a "leftie", now acc to you I put myself down with that? RiverLover Jul 2015 #72

Poor choice of words, then. MineralMan Jul 2015 #73

I can't find where the three women who started it JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #82

"ridiculous spectacle" Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #94

[**sigh**] Petrushka Jul 2015 #5

Look at what just happened with BLM and DFA. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #7

You make some very good points, but in general, I agree with this commenter at Common Dreams~ RiverLover Jul 2015 #12

Keep it up... Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #16

Netroots Nation was the construct of the DLC, started by Kos of DK who threw anyone sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #17

Thanks for the background info, I was one of those gullible people who thought NRN was the real deal RiverLover Jul 2015 #22

Anything that happens there is best taken with a huge grain of salt sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25

Is there ANYTHING that is NOT the product of some ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #86

Yes BainsBane Jul 2015 #90

Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #141

I saw this last night and got so cracked up ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #194

If you think of it as a political set-piece the whole thing makes more sense. pa28 Jul 2015 #18

Heh. Gosh, who knew? Zorra Jul 2015 #19

Bruce Dixon / Glen Ford and BAR... SidDithers Jul 2015 #21

Please tell us, what exactly is your problem with the BAR? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #23

LOL... SidDithers Jul 2015 #24

Can't answer the question, Sid? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #26

Tell us again your opinion of black protestors, Zorra... SidDithers Jul 2015 #28

Can't answer the question, Sid? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #30

Can, just not interested in answering it for you... SidDithers Jul 2015 #31

It should be easy; how long can it take? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #36

What is it that you don't understand, Zorra?... SidDithers Jul 2015 #39

That's deceitful, Sid. I did not call the actions of BLM protestors that. Zorra Jul 2015 #62

The fact that you used the term at all...at any anyone....is offensive. msanthrope Jul 2015 #91

Exactly, msanthrope, and she still doesn't get that. Cha Jul 2015 #171

And likely never will. zappaman Jul 2015 #174

Time flies. OilemFirchen Jul 2015 #128

Hate to break it to you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #196

Zorra did NOT say that, btw, I never saw you participate in anything sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #68

Didn't say what? Certainly you are not denying the "race-nagging" comment! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #197

Why are wasting time with the person who coined "race nagging"? zappaman Jul 2015 #142

I got sucked in, and couldn't get out... SidDithers Jul 2015 #146

Exactly right Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #38

"You can't un-ring that bell."... SidDithers Jul 2015 #41

That bell, plus the claim BLM is a Koch conspiracy BainsBane Jul 2015 #92

This thread gets better and better! zappaman Jul 2015 #143

SheShe Killed Bernie!!!!!! bravenak Jul 2015 #152

It was foretold in the movie lovemydog Jul 2015 #178

LOL. But only in the Alex Jones cut. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #199

Indeed. lovemydog Jul 2015 #203

Uh-huh. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #42

In the past three days I have seen African Americans referred to as race naggers... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #40

Seriously, you can't make this shit up...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #44

And in both instances those were targeted were targeted... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #47

And the back-pedaling when called on it ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #88

That's some campaign strategy they have.. ugly personal, bigoted insults to those not with them. Cha Jul 2015 #172

Wait, that's not how you win people over to your candidate? zappaman Jul 2015 #176

That's how you drive People Away from you candidate.. I've seen it happen more than a few times. Cha Jul 2015 #177

Can you answer it for me, then? I never heard of BAR until today, so I have nothing to go on n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #108

1StrongBlackMan said it well up thread... SidDithers Jul 2015 #109

Thank you. Is it honest disagreement, or is it disingenuous disagreement for its own sake? arcane1 Jul 2015 #112

You'll have to form your own opinion of that... SidDithers Jul 2015 #113

Thanks again! n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #115

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #201

Funny ... No one has EVER heard of BAR ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #200

I didn't post anything from them. You are confusing me with someone else. arcane1 Jul 2015 #210

Oh my bad ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #211

Likely not even then. It appeared to offer a different perspective, but didn't support it w/anything arcane1 Jul 2015 #212

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #213

Indeed, I can see how some would think that it's effective in that way. arcane1 Jul 2015 #214

But then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #215

And what do you know about the history of this organization. Just fyi we Dems here sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #27

Do your own research... SidDithers Jul 2015 #29

Perfect. Squirrel, smear, don't post a direct answer. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #32

Tell us again about "race nagging", Zorra... SidDithers Jul 2015 #34

Oh, and btw, I self deleted the comment at the request of an AA DU member. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #37

I don't really care why you self-deleted it... SidDithers Jul 2015 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #100

And after it proliferated over Twitter ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #89

Jury results Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #63

So you know nothing about the topic. The author as I said, is being kind. Thanks, sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #33

Oh, I know plenty about BAR... SidDithers Jul 2015 #35

You know nothing about the topic, that is clear, distractions from the topic sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #43

Uh-huh... SidDithers Jul 2015 #45

I will be writing about the history of that organization at some later date sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49

Can't wait! zappaman Jul 2015 #144

So Hillary was smart to stay away and Bernie should have known better? bettyellen Jul 2015 #50

Do you mind pointing to a comment of mine that SAID ANYTHING even sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #53

Why didn't anyone warn Bernie to stay away from Netroots bettyellen Jul 2015 #58

If I had that kind of influence, I definitely would have told him that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jul 2015 #181

Alright, if you won't tell Zorra, how about you tell me? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #111

They are just contrarians who go against whtever black folk are FOR. bravenak Jul 2015 #154

So it's that they're "not mainstream"? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #155

Worse than that. bravenak Jul 2015 #157

Huh Scootaloo Jul 2015 #163

Lol! bravenak Jul 2015 #164

How come no one answers this question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #207

But but.... You don't "give a shit anymore" because you're tired of "race naggin" bettyellen Jul 2015 #48

BLM is an incredible movement. What surprises me is how little attention sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #52

I agree and am disgusted by so many here trying to discredit them for making noise. bettyellen Jul 2015 #60

This DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #69

Well, DU sure needed to hear the noise, because until they made that noise sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #70

I think it will end up being a gift to Sanders considering he's moving into some very diverse areas bettyellen Jul 2015 #102

You mean like this, said by Bernie the DAY BEFORE he was ambushed by #BLM at NRN? RiverLover Jul 2015 #116

Who said they want a world where" young black men walk down the street bettyellen Jul 2015 #121

Bernie said that he didn't want that, and then was PROTESTED by the people he was defending. RiverLover Jul 2015 #122

They were protesting every candidate that showed up- including O Malley bettyellen Jul 2015 #124

Geesh, I know, I was responding to YOU saying the maybe because of NRN, Bernie would better address RiverLover Jul 2015 #126

Yet Bernie still did his dumbass pivot to economics when confronted by BLM.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #139

And, guess what? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #204

Yep. The ill informed sanctification and demonization bettyellen Jul 2015 #205

! bravenak Jul 2015 #151

Yep. That about sums it up! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #195

It seems to me that you've amply demonstrated that you are postively tone deaf. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #51

What exactly do you mean by this? All that's clear is you're putting me down. RiverLover Jul 2015 #56

Yes indeed. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #57

Well its good to know there's no explanation for your putdown. RiverLover Jul 2015 #61

The thing is, it's been explained. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #64

You said I was tone deaf. The fact that you are pushing for Hillary here is all that I'm getting. RiverLover Jul 2015 #67

You assume. And you know what that does. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #76

ok RiverLover Jul 2015 #80

That explains why the perpetrators attacked Sanders and omalley instead of conservatives Doctor_J Jul 2015 #54

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service jeff47 Jul 2015 #84

"Bernie fans always get a hide from me" m-lekktor Jul 2015 #98

A major fault in the jury system AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #103

I am doing the same. m-lekktor Jul 2015 #106

surprised? Doctor_J Jul 2015 #104

I am surprised the person would admit it in a comment! m-lekktor Jul 2015 #107

That is why I stopped donating to this site Oilwellian Jul 2015 #145

Nice that it's coming out at last. sibelian Aug 2015 #221

like i keep saying, i don't even use the alert button. m-lekktor Aug 2015 #222

I'm VERY happy to alert on disruptive behaviour. sibelian Aug 2015 #223

oh i can agree with that sentiment. m-lekktor Aug 2015 #224

Yeah, that would just be stupid. sibelian Aug 2015 #225

So Juror 1 would seem a prime example Puglover Jul 2015 #184

To be honest. Disrupting the conservatives would only effect about 40 or 50 people. Glassunion Aug 2015 #218

Sick if this shit. nc4bo Jul 2015 #55

Awesome picture! RiverLover Jul 2015 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #65

Keep insulting BLM here. Just please don't tie it to any candidate- as none agree with you. bettyellen Jul 2015 #66

I am a supporter of #BLM, bettyellen, but I didn't understand why they would protest their own. RiverLover Jul 2015 #75

Because their own are the only ones who might, maybe, we hope, actually act for change LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #79

Were you for BLM when it ACTUALLY started? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #81

I was living in Asheville NC at the time & I went to a protest there with my neighbor, who RiverLover Jul 2015 #85

It won't happen overnight JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #101

I hope there is a 3rd Civil Rights Movement. We need it. RiverLover Jul 2015 #118

Look to JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #137

sounds like you have the kind of nuanced, complicated, non-dogmatic reaction uhnope Jul 2015 #96

That's how you see it. Because you believe you're thinking is nuanced. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #97

well I never said that and I don't believe that uhnope Jul 2015 #99

That pretty much sums up my take on it perfectly. RiverLover Jul 2015 #119

Try to understand what is actually being said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #206

Please respond to post #15, 83 and 87. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #95

+1 lovemydog Jul 2015 #133

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #185

Haha, same here. lovemydog Jul 2015 #189

Ronda busts all types of stereotypes. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #193

Pay no attention to those with an agenda to silence actual leftist views... AOR Jul 2015 #105

"BAR is well respected all over the net by those who want real leftist analysis"... SidDithers Jul 2015 #110

Yawn n/t AOR Jul 2015 #117

... SidDithers Jul 2015 #132

Gee whiz SidDithers... AOR Jul 2015 #135

You again? zappaman Jul 2015 #147

A pleasure to be in such distinguised company zappaman... AOR Jul 2015 #156

Yes, I think we shall meet again! zappaman Jul 2015 #169

Yes, it is, Larry. zappaman Jul 2015 #217

Would you care to answer the question at hand? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #148

What's your question 1StrongBlackMan... AOR Jul 2015 #153

It's a pretty simple question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #188

I think there is major disconnection... AOR Jul 2015 #216

And then... OilemFirchen Jul 2015 #129

Ain't that some crazy shit... SidDithers Jul 2015 #130

It is what it is... AOR Jul 2015 #136

But he/she just negated to say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #208

1) I do like Black Agenda Report and respect them Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #125

Thanks for link. Never heard 840high Jul 2015 #167

So... Netroots is a job fair? apnu Aug 2015 #219

Throw stink bombs! AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #220