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135. No one is going to make you

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So let me get this straight... [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 OP

K&R, and the Greatest Page for you. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #1

This posting is lacking in fact and truth. ChiTownDenny Jul 2015 #82

And which specific facts and truths in the OP are substantially incorrect? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #91

It was not about her. lark Jul 2015 #97

That's not my understanding MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #116

You know the article isn't true. lark Jul 2015 #120

And how do I know it isn't true? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #121

They had to go back and change it significantly. lark Jul 2015 #126

The NY Times is *absolutely* quoting government officials MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #128

Government officials do not agree with your theory. lark Jul 2015 #148

I did not allege that. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #149

I read your "article". Did you read the Newseek article? ChiTownDenny Jul 2015 #101

The Newsweek article seems to misstate what's in the Times article. MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #105

The Newsweek article is accurate. ChiTownDenny Jul 2015 #124

The Times specifically claims that both communities state the information was classified MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #127

Gawd. ChiTownDenny Jul 2015 #129

The point is that if she wins the nomination, this will definitely be sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #147

So why do "Democrats" insist on giving lies, legs? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #179

Good question, why do they? See your sigline, eg. Why do Dems insist sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #182

LOL. My sigline has nothing to do with Bernie and everything to do with his supporters ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #184

The Times posted a "correction" ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #137

If one really wants to know what is on the server, ask Russia and/or China. They know. eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #2

ask the NSA spqr78 Jul 2015 #26

Huh? It was the Government servers they broke into, not hers Recursion Jul 2015 #38

You really don't believe they didn't hack into hers also...? eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #52

I think smaller targets are usually harder Recursion Jul 2015 #53

As a network technician, with an emphasis on security RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #57

So you really believe that no one would be interested in the SOS's private server. A Simple Game Jul 2015 #65

^^^this^^^ eom Purveyor Jul 2015 #89

And they know the domain and such of an ex-President? RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #104

They probably got it from the email Hillary sent to their ambassador(s). A Simple Game Jul 2015 #108

If they had to have security checks done on them RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #109

And you are telling me you don't think our SOS would send an email directly to A Simple Game Jul 2015 #113

There's lots of ways to find a server. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #119

You should know there are more than one kind of hacker out there. jeff47 Jul 2015 #92

Using default encryption keys is just plain stupid. RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #106

So let's guess your point. Private servers are safer than government so she was actually rhett o rick Jul 2015 #58

She gets "special consideration" because it was legal at that point Recursion Jul 2015 #61

It was legal but it was also poor judgement. Why would anyone that knew they A Simple Game Jul 2015 #67

You say it was legal but you are not the last word. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #72

Nope. lark Jul 2015 #98

That's the worst rationalization ever. "They did it so why can't we?" The answer is, of course, rhett o rick Jul 2015 #142

I'm not sure what you can extrapolate from a sample of 40 emails out of the thousands she sent tularetom Jul 2015 #3

actually unless she is carnac she couldn't have known dsc Jul 2015 #6

It was not retroactively classified. MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #12

She didn't wonder? She never asked? She just assumed all the secret squirrel stuff was secure? tularetom Jul 2015 #14

Not knowing has never been an excuse. She did know she was taking a big risk when she made rhett o rick Jul 2015 #143

Oh... I don't know. The AFT extrapolated Hillary's endorsement from what? 1,064 members? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #27

actually that is a quite large sample dsc Jul 2015 #29

That was a pleasure to read Fairgo Jul 2015 #50

And completely unintelligible and/or ignored ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #180

I can very easily believe she didn't know what was classified and what wasn't Recursion Jul 2015 #32

But that is the reason it is supposed to be on a secure server zeemike Jul 2015 #48

Where the server was is irrelevant to that Recursion Jul 2015 #49

It is relevant, due to who is to blame for a breach. jeff47 Jul 2015 #93

Well, no, State's IT people are not to blame if somebody emails classified Recursion Jul 2015 #146

The classified doesn't have to originate with her to be a breach. jeff47 Jul 2015 #96

The people who feel as you do are not "few." Maedhros Jul 2015 #4

And it's just plain unprofessional. KeepItReal Jul 2015 #8

It's a gift that will keep on giving for the Republicans Mnpaul Jul 2015 #23

Not just Republicans! zappaman Jul 2015 #24

Part of the primary process if to insure that our candidate can not be easily attacked awake Jul 2015 #153

actually no you pretty much have a whole bunch wrong dsc Jul 2015 #5

The State Department refused to turn over all of Clinton's emails for the review MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #11

I could carefully chose 40 posts of yours dsc Jul 2015 #13

The Democrat running the State Department could turn everything over MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #15

they are in the process of vetting them dsc Jul 2015 #19

Bush is corrupt and utterly detestable MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #20

Government officials sending classified info from email servers in their garage? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #7

That would be a problem whether she used State's servers or her own servers. Recursion Jul 2015 #37

So far I've been actively ignoring Hillary's email "scandal" 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #9

I just watched an episode of The Good Wife last week(Season 4, Episode 19) Divernan Jul 2015 #10

Personally I think electronically transmitting classified info TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #16

As I understand it from watching Tweety interview the NYT reporter, GitRDun Jul 2015 #17

And this would not have been a problem MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #18

How many phones do you expect her to carry? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #21

Absolutely! ananda Jul 2015 #22

No she is not. It's QUEEN Hillary. 840high Jul 2015 #40

LOL ananda Jul 2015 #115

You're supposed to go into a special room and use a special email address to read classified stuff Recursion Jul 2015 #36

the CONE OF SILENCE!!! Sancho Jul 2015 #74

Oh, please. I'm barely past the dumb phone stage, Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #78

Benghazi! zappaman Jul 2015 #25

Vince Foster! Travel Gate! Blah blah blah redstateblues Jul 2015 #28

Well She Is In Karl Rove's Circle billhicks76 Jul 2015 #45

Let's get this straight. The NYT has given a flawed report, has edited the report, Elijah Cummings Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #30

Why did you add "unsecure" there? Recursion Jul 2015 #31

Ccb standards? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #34

Configuration Control Board. The government regulations about computer systems. Recursion Jul 2015 #35

I'm familiar with the concept of a CCB MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #41

The server was set up and approved by State dept. under Bill Clinton... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #42

Let's take these one at a time, OK? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #43

Those interested in the facts read posts 30 and 42. (eom) oasis Jul 2015 #117

Prepare to slam your head against your desk: it's Exchange Recursion Jul 2015 #44

Government certificates. Clinton's server used her own. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #95

Why do you say she used her own certs? Recursion Jul 2015 #144

Because everyone who is not on a .gov does. jeff47 Jul 2015 #164

Two problems there Recursion Jul 2015 #165

Her server was clintonemail.com. That isn't a .gov. jeff47 Jul 2015 #166

You're mixing up DNS and certificates Recursion Jul 2015 #167

Nope. jeff47 Jul 2015 #169

No, that's not true Recursion Jul 2015 #170

No, it really does go and check. jeff47 Jul 2015 #171

But the USG server has the Chinese-signed certificate on it Recursion Jul 2015 #172

No, the USG server is using its own certificate jeff47 Jul 2015 #177

Which is Chinese-signed in our scenario Recursion Jul 2015 #185

Can does not mean did. jeff47 Jul 2015 #186

We don't know that Recursion Jul 2015 #187

Yes, actually we do. Because that's how all these protocols work. jeff47 Jul 2015 #188

You have no idea what A records the server had, though Recursion Jul 2015 #189

How deep a hole do you want to keep digging? jeff47 Jul 2015 #198

That's funny, I was asking you the same thing Recursion Jul 2015 #199

Because it was unsecure. jeff47 Jul 2015 #94

You can't put classified information on the main email servers either Recursion Jul 2015 #145

I haven't seen enough to know if this is a problem DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #33

Well, you know, the Repugs will try and make a big deal out of anything, they're so desperate. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #39

National Security: "Who gives a rats ass" Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #66

It was poor judgement, and poor judgement doesn't sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #70

+1 for that last sentence. Here, here! n/t Beartracks Jul 2015 #99

If I might suggest, and anyone who wants to can blast me for this, mikehiggins Jul 2015 #46

It's primary time dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #47

"It's primary time" Thank you. Scuba Jul 2015 #54

I agree LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #87

The question no one wants to answer, or even ASKED is... WAS HER SERVER HACKED? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #51

We can pretty much guarantee "yes". jeff47 Jul 2015 #102

Best case scenario: Hillary was foolish and naive. Scuba Jul 2015 #55

You need to change fadedrose Jul 2015 #56

She has no chance to win the GE. Too many people don't trust her now, Zorra Jul 2015 #59

if she really cared about this country, restorefreedom Jul 2015 #63

. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #60

No. You got it crooked. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #62

For the broad swath of zentrum Jul 2015 #64

Hillary claims China is hacking EVERYTHING, is she right? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #68

No, you'll never have it straight. randome Jul 2015 #69

This is an unforced error by Hillary Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #71

For me the emails are a non-issue perdita9 Jul 2015 #73

Manny, Your concern about this is ironic, MineralMan Jul 2015 #75

Seems like a bit of a stretch, are you suggesting she gets a pass and Snowden shouldn't? marble falls Jul 2015 #76

The leaked State Department cables had nothing to do with Snowden. MineralMan Jul 2015 #77

If Clinton stole documents and fled the country, it would be exactly the same. randome Jul 2015 #79

Any port in a storm, it seems. MineralMan Jul 2015 #84

Truly, I think that people should play by the rules they agree to play by MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #81

The State Department cables were not from Snowden. MineralMan Jul 2015 #83

I never celebrated the Wikileaks dump MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #85

Actually, I think any intrepid DUer need only Google your username and "manning" msanthrope Jul 2015 #122

And did I celebrate the release of information? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #125

"Celebrate" is a rather subjective term manny. what would be more objective msanthrope Jul 2015 #157

LOL. So now you've gone from implying I celebrated it, MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #159

Messy and regrettable as this thread has become, Manny, I implied nothing at all. msanthrope Jul 2015 #160

You were just helpfully reminding people about the search function MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #163

Can I expect an apology for your incorrect claim MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #112

Not unless you repudiate your hero worship of MineralMan Jul 2015 #136

Whooooosh! MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #138

You're close. Go for three! MineralMan Jul 2015 #140

^^^^^ Thread should end right here ^^^^^ JoePhilly Jul 2015 #100

Because I totally refuted it later? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #107

She's a liar and cannot be trusted. morningfog Jul 2015 #80

I see this is the bitter thread. Metric System Jul 2015 #88

So this makes her a traitor to the United States? lunatica Jul 2015 #86

No but it's a pretty big hammer to defend against. Kablooie Jul 2015 #90

NYTIMES phoenixpcrod Jul 2015 #103

He knows this from his previous thread. He just can't get enough of bashing Democrats. randome Jul 2015 #111

Which is exactly what I wrote. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #114

I'm still waiting fadedrose Jul 2015 #110

You do remember wrong Progressive dog Jul 2015 #123

Not this filegate fadedrose Jul 2015 #133

Table not involved in above post fadedrose Jul 2015 #134

That filegate had to do with a lower level employee Progressive dog Jul 2015 #150

I read the whole article. fadedrose Jul 2015 #152

Whoever the Democratic nominee is Progressive dog Jul 2015 #156

Uh-Oh...... bvar22 Jul 2015 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jul 2015 #130

During my intel years in the 60's, I saw things classified after release to the public. alfredo Jul 2015 #131

Whatever. Cheviteau Jul 2015 #132

No one is going to make you 840high Jul 2015 #135

Kick and R BeanMusical Jul 2015 #139

So are these "Judges" jimlup Jul 2015 #141

B-E-N-G-H-A-Z-I!!!! liberal N proud Jul 2015 #151

The OP said nothing about B-E-N-G-H-A-Z-I!!!! awake Jul 2015 #154

oh yeah... it's ANOTHER phony scandal... Adrahil Jul 2015 #155

Messy and Regrettable. ....is what the NY TIMES is now calling their reportage......nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #158

Yup, yet there is no self-delete or mea culpa from the OP. The source they used has issued one, but stevenleser Jul 2015 #175

You haven't deleted this and issued a mea culpa yet? nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #161

Tell me what, specifically, is incorrect MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #162

You've claimed it was "unsecure" Recursion Jul 2015 #168

At the very least... for three months she didn't have an SSL cert MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #173

So I take it that you have no factual disagreement with my post. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #174

Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #176

Well. It appears that the media ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #178

Your enjoy this 'cast fake aspersions' game MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #181

A line from Shakespeare comes to mind; but, the Southern saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #183

But what doesn't seem to come to your mind? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #190

The article at my link ... You know, the article of the news outlet saying we screwed up ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #191

IS this what you sugest "addresses" the facts? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #192

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #193

So it's a correct reading of the link? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #194

When one pins the basis the defense of one's opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #195

When you say "screwed up", that's fairly broad language Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #196

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #197