2016 Postmortem

Ichingcarpenter

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58. Hillary"For goodness sakes, you can't be a lawyer if you don't represent banks.".

Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:19 AM

Sep 2015

That quote really ground my gears with her.

The New York Times reported on March 17, 1992: "Hillary Clinton said today that she did not earn 'a penny' from state business conducted by her Little Rock law firm and that she never intervened with state regulators on behalf of a failed Arkansas savings and loan association. . . " Records would show that she did, in fact, represent Madison before the state securities department. After the revelation, she says, "For goodness sakes, you can't be a lawyer if you don't represent banks."

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/17/us/the-1992-campaign-hillary-clinton-defends-her-conduct-in-law-firm.html

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Hillary has spent most of her political career denying she's a liberal [View all] cali Sep 2015 OP

Good point. Fawke Em Sep 2015 #1

started out slagging Saul Alinsky reddread Sep 2015 #5

Started out her career by wanting to be a corporate lawyer. Not with any activist activity. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #20

Not just any corporate lawyer, but BCCI's lawyer. leveymg Sep 2015 #37

Yup. It's very Modern-Progressivey of her isn't it? HappyPlace Sep 2015 #45

The term was tainted by Woodrow Wilson - HRC is the 21st Century version leveymg Sep 2015 #61

Yes indeed. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #65

Judging by her email name HDR22, she does not even use Clinton, just her maiden name. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #84

What's the "22"? Fawke Em Sep 2015 #97

I guess she felt she needed a number. Me I try for my full name and have gotten it LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #108

Some of the previous numbers were given out to staffers. leveymg Sep 2015 #126

Thread winner. hifiguy Sep 2015 #118

All they have to do is re define the words. zeemike Sep 2015 #73

Remind me ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #47

Here's her bio leveymg Sep 2015 #52

Her early lawyer work was ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #59

Are you implying she continues to be employed by or pursue that early employer's agenda? leveymg Sep 2015 #66

Just a diversion from the subject at hand. Fuddnik Sep 2015 #74

No that is not my implication ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #136

A lot of people learn what is wrong from early jobs and want to correct them, some LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #88

I would say, most ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #137

And, when you are starting out... PosterChild Sep 2015 #178

Maybe that is why she is such an advocate for consumers against the banking industry now passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #170

Didn't know Warren was running for president. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #90

She's not ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #138

Then what is her relevance here? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #145

The relevence is obvious.... PosterChild Sep 2015 #181

Deflect away. merrily Sep 2015 #98

How is that a deflection? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #139

The thread is about Hillary. merrily Sep 2015 #148

You seem to miss the point.., PosterChild Sep 2015 #182

His Reply 47 fits the definition of deflection perfectly and the subthread did go OT, merrily Sep 2015 #188

Well, given her current campaign supporters Kelvin Mace Sep 2015 #154

Touché. Your work here is done! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #103

It just I hate this DU bullshit ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #140

Hillary"For goodness sakes, you can't be a lawyer if you don't represent banks.". Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #58

Hard to understand why anyone's gears would get so grinded based on that 24 year old propaganda? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #67

Because ...... FDR, JFK, Wellstone, Bobby, Jerry Brown Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #72

Just a minor clarification. hifiguy Sep 2015 #120

Not sure , did fdr or jfk ever... PosterChild Sep 2015 #180

It's only propaganda when you don't like the facts reported. leveymg Sep 2015 #79

then Warren early career is a none starter roguevalley Sep 2015 #95

Was Warren's husband running for president in 92? Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #100

actually, my remark was to remove Warren from the discussion. I must have not made that clear. roguevalley Sep 2015 #123

Of course you can be a lawyer without representing banks and Hillary know that very well merrily Sep 2015 #96

That is the quote I've been looking for for months! It sums up precisely why I abhor third way Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #158

People growing is not a bad thing, even if its half of what they stood for uponit7771 Sep 2015 #76

I do not think any Clinton has ever had any core principal save hifiguy Sep 2015 #117

Co-opted By Bush Family billhicks76 Sep 2015 #151

K&R! Katashi_itto Sep 2015 #2

She'll answer that question after she's president Ino Sep 2015 #3

You forgot her unflinching and continual support for the Patriot Act. nt Bonobo Sep 2015 #4

plus 1 questionseverything Sep 2015 #56

She's wanted the Presidency for a long time, LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #6

I wish I knew why cali Sep 2015 #7

I've become very wary of anyone who LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #27

+1B magical thyme Sep 2015 #43

Agreed n/t MissDeeds Sep 2015 #42

She's obsessed with the presidency. Truly obsessed. hifiguy Sep 2015 #121

....x10+ 840high Sep 2015 #141

What the hell is Progressive? That gets twisted as much as Liberal Armstead Sep 2015 #8

Hillary has frequently slammed "big government" cali Sep 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author cali Sep 2015 #9

A progressive is simply a person that seeks social progress. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #15

What matters is how it's used, just like liberalism and consrvatism Armstead Sep 2015 #18

Sure, progressive and liberal can be used in various contexts HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #26

One reason I get so angry at the Democratic "centrists" is their muddying of the debate Armstead Sep 2015 #30

There is a lot of obfuscation and dissembling going on by politicians HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #87

Yep. Exactly... Armstead Sep 2015 #91

Nice analytical thought on third way strategy. Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #107

The race to the bottom created by pandering to corporations HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #130

Very good breakdown. +1 Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #160

Well put and clear. Thanks for your thoughts. n/t haikugal Sep 2015 #101

i think you are starting from a false premise salib Sep 2015 #44

NO you have to look at the stated principles as a starting point Armstead Sep 2015 #57

Understand yes. "Supposed to be the opposite of", or something like that, no. salib Sep 2015 #196

I agree with you except.... Armstead Sep 2015 #197

The 'evolving' meme seems a fake euphemism to me. HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #11

Her "evolution" reminds me powerfully of this hifiguy Sep 2015 #122

great graphic! PatrickforO Sep 2015 #152

She's a politician to the n'th degree. She'll say whatever the polls tell her to.. ion_theory Sep 2015 #12

Bernie Sanders: "I’m not a liberal. Never have been." oberliner Sep 2015 #13

actions speak. Bernie has upheld liberal principles throughout his political career cali Sep 2015 #14

He would say progressive principles, not liberal ones oberliner Sep 2015 #16

I agre with bernie -- He's basially saying not to be distacted... Armstead Sep 2015 #23

Government should provide that every child receives a free appropriate education. DhhD Sep 2015 #77

There shalT be no questions about Sanders during a Hillary Bashing thread /sarcasm uponit7771 Sep 2015 #78

Bull@#$& MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #17

I hated that sexist song to begin with. Why they remade it and used it for Hillary is beyond my Autumn Sep 2015 #19

Does that mean you're not in? MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #22

No I'm not in Manny, not even for the cats. Autumn Sep 2015 #28

So, as a hypothetical, MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #31

Why Manny you are so right. When you point out to a dog what they did wrong Autumn Sep 2015 #36

Woof! Well it's possible that a later-model Hillary 7.x could bravely come out MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #40

So true the optics are not good at all. My daughter has livestock and she has an Akbash Autumn Sep 2015 #55

But, will she buy them Frosty Paws, and Dogsters? Fuddnik Sep 2015 #86

Is any song about lust sexist? thesquanderer Sep 2015 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author MisterP Sep 2015 #115

Once a "Goldwater Girl, Always a "Goldwater Girl!" Chasstev365 Sep 2015 #21

I don't hold Goldwater against her, SusanCalvin Sep 2015 #39

No kidding! pandr32 Sep 2015 #64

so, she evolved from conservative to neoliberal noiretextatique Sep 2015 #125

Not true pandr32 Sep 2015 #135

indeed there are. hifiguy Sep 2015 #146

JFK: " If by a Liberal" Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #24

Beautiful speech. Thanks for posting.. mountain grammy Sep 2015 #33

I don't think there are any core beliefs. Divernan Sep 2015 #25

your post should be an op, Nan. cali Sep 2015 #34

Very revealing. pangaia Sep 2015 #35

i'm not a big fan of revenge but i hope it energizes her because certainot Sep 2015 #29

The Bill Clinton Third Way helped to create that problem by pushing for deregulation Armstead Sep 2015 #32

that was in 96, right? and that's about when fox started up. RW radio was already strong, certainot Sep 2015 #81

I agree. But in the context of this thread I think it;s important.... Armstead Sep 2015 #83

we have to move the political center, and the perception of it certainot Sep 2015 #89

Hillary is running to be the first female President. jalan48 Sep 2015 #38

hence the emphasis on "who," not "what": she has a vag so she's "the women's candidate" MisterP Sep 2015 #114

She is going to be president. NT arely staircase Sep 2015 #41

In her head, she already is. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #46

Who can beat her? arely staircase Sep 2015 #48

lol.. you pay no attention. cali Sep 2015 #50

Well, half of the GOP clowns can beat her. Trump for sure and probably Carson, Bush, Cruz. HappyPlace Sep 2015 #51

None of Repubs running could beat any of the Dems. NT arely staircase Sep 2015 #102

Trump. 840high Sep 2015 #142

Clinton would bury Trump in a GE. NT arely staircase Sep 2015 #163

Your declaratives add little to the conversation. Maybe you could tell us why you feel her lead is Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #161

I never said it was arely staircase Sep 2015 #165

I doubt it. you hill supporters don't seem to grasp how deeply unpopular she cali Sep 2015 #49

No her haters dont realize she isnt hated outside the GOP arely staircase Sep 2015 #105

are you truly that deep in denial? she is underwater with independents, dear. cali Sep 2015 #124

Denial. Go to DailyMail. They 840high Sep 2015 #143

And many within our party mistrust her, often ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #134

which party is that? arely staircase Sep 2015 #147

Duh. ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2015 #177

LOL, bookmarked! nt Logical Sep 2015 #71

Feelings Beowulf42 Sep 2015 #53

By Thanksgiving she'll be claiming she's a socialist... Indepatriot Sep 2015 #54

+1 L0oniX Sep 2015 #69

Obama Labor Day Speech STARTING! Put away that projectile food! Link..... Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #60

Trust me. Bernie is emphatically NOT a Marxist.......... socialist_n_TN Sep 2015 #93

Would he take back public utilities to public control, or encourage States to do so? I would like that to happen? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #111

That's not Marxism and I don't know........ socialist_n_TN Sep 2015 #119

OK. Then the next step...nationalization of oil and one State for profit publicly owned company....Oil America? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #131

Has he ever even hinted that he would do anythng like that? No. senz Sep 2015 #173

Thanks for completely missing the topic of the discussion sub-thread! Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #176

I replied to your comment. If your comment was off-topic, then so be it. senz Sep 2015 #179

I keep hearing that Obama is a Marxist.. frylock Sep 2015 #109

Be careful, friend, or you may pay a visit to the Ministry of Love. R. P. McMurphy Sep 2015 #62

Wow...you obsessively hate Hillary? GitRDun Sep 2015 #63

wow. you don't know what the word hate means if you think cali Sep 2015 #127

Lol ok, maybe another word is better GitRDun Sep 2015 #153

She's not a political idiot, thankfully Gman Sep 2015 #68

People like her helped to damage the brand...and unfortunetly, its goals Armstead Sep 2015 #99

But but but.... Gman Sep 2015 #164

She's no leader. cali Sep 2015 #167

I disagree completely Gman Sep 2015 #168

She only had to convince conservatives and wing-nuts that she wasn't a liberal. Fuddnik Sep 2015 #70

Does she say she's a liberal now? That's more important than what she did 230jj2j4 yrs ago to me uponit7771 Sep 2015 #75

She recently said she "prefers 'progressive'". n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #80

That's good, we'll measure her policies.. some of them aren't progressive and some of sanders uponit7771 Sep 2015 #82

Kinda like pelican denying it's a donkey then putting on fake ears to prove it is a donkey. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #85

+1 Paka Sep 2015 #175

I think you make a good point, but... thesquanderer Sep 2015 #94

"Hung Up On Semantics"! Isn't that what mostly all the outrage is about lately - semantics, while ignoring policy? Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #106

So youceyec Sep 2015 #104

bullshit. changing positions on a few issues is one thing cali Sep 2015 #128

She is a center-right hack, who constantly looks at which way the wind is blowing. EEO Sep 2015 #110

Even Ted Kennedy avoided the word. RandySF Sep 2015 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Sep 2015 #113

That's the truth. Amen. 840high Sep 2015 #144

Truth. Kickety rec. hifiguy Sep 2015 #116

She has had her surrogates attack Sanders 'as a Liberal' AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #129

Hillary says a lot of things, she'll say anything to anyone at any time in her effort to seize power bowens43 Sep 2015 #132

That is so well-stated. There is absolutely no reason to believe her Vattel Sep 2015 #133

Hillary is most convincing when she says she isn't a liberal Jack Rabbit Sep 2015 #149

Noted. Amimnoch Sep 2015 #150

+100 !! (NT) PosterChild Sep 2015 #183

And Bernie has spent most of his denying he's a Democrat...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #155

Since 1992, the Democratic party hasn't been very Democratic! Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #157

So he's only doing it now when it's politically convenient? Amimnoch Sep 2015 #159

that's such a vacuous response. he votes as a democrat. he acts like what a democrat cali Sep 2015 #162

And Thespian2 Sep 2015 #156

And that is her failing, not mine. cali Sep 2015 #166

Ab-so-lutely Thespian2 Sep 2015 #186

It is Bernie who has been emphatic that he is not a liberal. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #169

But he's telling the truth. He's to the left of liberal: "liberal" on steroids. senz Sep 2015 #171

He has never said that. nt SunSeeker Sep 2015 #172

He stated the truth that he's not a liberal. It is I who call him "liberal on steroids." senz Sep 2015 #174

liberal is to progressive as libertarian is to conservative BlueStateLib Sep 2015 #184

liberal and progressive are synonyms. pnwmom Sep 2015 #190

Just another example of how Democrats have allowed the right and the media= Buzz cook Sep 2015 #185

She Knows Herself That's For Sure colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #187

She says, "I consider myself a proud, modern, American progressive." pnwmom Sep 2015 #191

I consider myself a vegetarian but should I expect people to believe me if I eat Big Macs in public? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #192

What she says: "I consider myself a proud, modern, American progressive." pnwmom Sep 2015 #189

When you compare her to the real progressive in the race it rings hollow. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #193

So being a Liberal was good enough for JFK, RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #194

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