2016 Postmortem

sibelian

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13. There's no way of establishing whether self-selection obscures the real picture.

Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:40 AM

Oct 2015

As you do not actually know the identity or political orientation of any of the contributors to online polls you are left in the position of having to assert that you do in order to pretend your positions is based on facts. It is possible that the online polls being presented here are weighted because Sanders supporters are more likely to vote in online polls. How does that explain the CNN poll? Did only Sanders supporters watch it? How can you claim that Clinton supporters would not also vote in the online polls hosted by CNN? If you're suggesting that Clinton supporters don't vote in online polls it starts to look difficult to assume that they'd vote in anything, to be honest.

Online polls come in a wide variety of levels of reliability. We can simply dismiss them all, I suppose, in which case there is no need for the poll option here on DU.

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Yes, Bernie Won Every Poll On the Internet. Hillary Still Won the Debate. [View all] wyldwolf Oct 2015 OP

Wrong. Bernie won. Here's why. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #1

Wrong. Bernie lost. Here's why. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #2

Thaaaat's just a link to this OP, wyldwolf. sibelian Oct 2015 #5

And his link was just biased DUer's opinion wyldwolf Oct 2015 #6

And yours is what? sibelian Oct 2015 #8

Facts on Internet polling wyldwolf Oct 2015 #11

There's no way of establishing whether self-selection obscures the real picture. sibelian Oct 2015 #13

I don't think you know what "facts" mean. n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #23

You are a neutral observer? Get real, you are aggressively pro Clinton and long TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #21

The focus on personalities is kind of missing the whole point. stone space Oct 2015 #3

True but another big issue is... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #4

The election is a self selected poll, with its own built-in errors. stone space Oct 2015 #7

But much less so than Internet polls wyldwolf Oct 2015 #9

not in 85 to 15 madokie Oct 2015 #17

There was a poll on msnbc.com that showed 85% mythology Oct 2015 #22

That's tantamount to arguing that unless we can predict the exact temperature in 2050, DanTex Oct 2015 #10

No, not really. stone space Oct 2015 #12

Nobody uses surveys to determine who runs the country. They have actual elections for that. DanTex Oct 2015 #15

Elections ARE surveys. stone space Oct 2015 #16

Yes, that's true, but they aren't phone surveys or internet surveys. DanTex Oct 2015 #19

How many times can one person vote in an election? sufrommich Oct 2015 #25

Depends on the person, doesn't it? stone space Oct 2015 #27

Please Cosmocat Oct 2015 #34

I won. bigwillq Oct 2015 #14

Hillary was more polished I agree madokie Oct 2015 #18

I agree on all points Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #24

Counter-intuitive though it seems, they both won. Kentonio Oct 2015 #20

Good answer, and welcome to DU. ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #26

Thanks Kentonio Oct 2015 #30

His article is half right thesquanderer Oct 2015 #28

Slate: catnhatnh Oct 2015 #29

Hillary "won" Cosmocat Oct 2015 #31

Hillary did better than expectations, but she did not win. That's nonsense. She was just average. reformist2 Oct 2015 #32

Hey, remember, Al Gore won the 3rd debate WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2015 #33