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krkaufman

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94. more of the same... ?

Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:32 PM

Oct 2015

Sure, that's obvious, but how is it any better? How soon before she's referring to an "Axis of Evil"?

Is it too much to ask that the prospective leader of the free world show some restraint and diplomacy, rather than the same old reflexive hate-mongering we've been getting from the Right for decades? With the Iranian nuclear deal just signed, are we supposed to cheer Hillary's undermining of the deal arranged by Obama & Kerry?

Similarly, it may have played well to many in the crowd, but I didn't think Hillary's citing "the Republicans" as her prime enemies was productive, for other Democrats in the coming election or for her own prospects of attracting moderates in the coming election.

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The Iranians are not MY enemy. [View all] stone space Oct 2015 OP

My friend Naseem is flying back to Tehran tonight for an extended visit. NBachers Oct 2015 #1

Love it artislife Oct 2015 #17

Hillary really blew it with her response... Herman4747 Oct 2015 #2

I agree. Obama has been keeping us out of a war with Iran. cprise Oct 2015 #34

Hillary was referring to the government of the Islamic Republic, Hortensis Oct 2015 #38

If that is the case, is it too much to ask... Herman4747 Oct 2015 #83

Yes, it was a mistake that did leave her open to misinterpretation and attack. Hortensis Oct 2015 #85

more of the same... ? krkaufman Oct 2015 #94

WE also do well to show restraint and diplomacy, rather than reflexive hate-mongering, KRKaufman. Hortensis Oct 2015 #97

I thought she did fine up until then. Why couldn't she have said "the ayatollahs" or eridani Oct 2015 #89

Enemies list... krkaufman Oct 2015 #95

That was about JackInGreen Oct 2015 #3

I agree. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #6

The most disturbing to me were her references to god. That always Hortensis Oct 2015 #41

I'm Jewish, and had Iranian friends in college back in the 1980s. bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #4

+1! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #7

I had the same reaction. cprise Oct 2015 #35

The Supreme Leader of Iran is an enemy to progressive values oberliner Oct 2015 #5

I was complaining about Israel once artislife Oct 2015 #20

Good point oberliner Oct 2015 #32

Oh, yes. Please do not blame me for Congressman Doug Collins, Hortensis Oct 2015 #48

It must hurt to see artislife Oct 2015 #51

Hi again, Cascadia. No, 'cause I'm from California originally. :) Hortensis Oct 2015 #61

Just as we should oppose war-mongering ultra-right leaders in Israel. Ikonoklast Oct 2015 #36

Right - for the people. But Iran's government is quite progressive Hortensis Oct 2015 #46

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Oct 2015 #8

Iran hasn't done shit to us but Hillary wants to police the world. JRLeft Oct 2015 #9

Well, leftynyc Oct 2015 #23

And we've committed mass murder. JRLeft Oct 2015 #26

And that has zero to do leftynyc Oct 2015 #27

This has everything to with our forever warring in the middle east and our constant siding JRLeft Oct 2015 #28

Your charge was that Iran leftynyc Oct 2015 #40

And I replied that it was for a reason. JRLeft Oct 2015 #43

And for some reason leftynyc Oct 2015 #44

Which country is waging war on multiple continents and countries and has been fighting wars it seems JRLeft Oct 2015 #45

Hey, you don't have to convince me leftynyc Oct 2015 #54

Dear "leftynyc" - FairWinds Oct 2015 #63

I am most certainly aware leftynyc Oct 2015 #66

The 'H' is for Hawk cprise Oct 2015 #37

I have zero desire leftynyc Oct 2015 #39

Your establishment heroes have conditioned you cprise Oct 2015 #50

LOL leftynyc Oct 2015 #56

LOL cprise Oct 2015 #59

Have you ever seen me leftynyc Oct 2015 #68

I think for most people, living in a torn-up country cprise Oct 2015 #74

We had no business getting involved leftynyc Oct 2015 #77

Actually, in terms of aid the Europeans far outshine us cprise Oct 2015 #79

Sorry leftynyc Oct 2015 #81

If the US wants its military fingers in all the pies, then cprise Oct 2015 #84

Context is everything. gregcrawford Oct 2015 #55

So let's see leftynyc Oct 2015 #57

Ummm... gregcrawford Oct 2015 #60

Really? leftynyc Oct 2015 #67

Iran is an religious extremist state. Oneironaut Oct 2015 #75

Compared to Saudi Arabia, they look like Sweden. eom cprise Oct 2015 #80

sometimes the hypocrisy dwarfs all reddread Oct 2015 #93

The Iranian people aren't our enemy. MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #10

Thank you for the sanity JayhawkSD Oct 2015 #11

If HRC wants to fight the Iranian enemy . . FairWinds Oct 2015 #12

We have done some truly awful crap to Iran, but our leaders never speak of it. Dustlawyer Oct 2015 #13

Just the position we would expect Thespian2 Oct 2015 #14

I have Iranian friends too treestar Oct 2015 #15

Stone space Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2015 #16

The Iranian people certainly aren't my enemy, but the Ayatollahs certainly aren't my friends. tritsofme Oct 2015 #18

What acts of genocide have they committed? Martin Eden Oct 2015 #21

The government executes people for being gay. The Iranian government is the enemy of some Iranian Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #31

Are you Martin Eden Oct 2015 #47

The Iranians should be our natural allies ... much more than the Saudis Martin Eden Oct 2015 #19

Most people don't realize how the Shah artislife Oct 2015 #24

Ignorance of history is a major impediment to progress in the United States Martin Eden Oct 2015 #25

So much this, Iran would have been an entirely different nation now. Ikonoklast Oct 2015 #42

You think Iran would be a secular socialist democracy? oberliner Oct 2015 #49

The direction they were possibly heading before the coup, my best guess. Ikonoklast Oct 2015 #52

What about Fadayan-e Islam? oberliner Oct 2015 #58

The coup ensured their eventual success. cprise Oct 2015 #64

They might have been successful anyway oberliner Oct 2015 #65

So its better to establish imperial control from the cprise Oct 2015 #69

Of course not oberliner Oct 2015 #73

The Iranian people are very pro-western on average I think Dem2 Oct 2015 #22

Iran may never be 'aligned' to the West cprise Oct 2015 #76

But but Rafale Oct 2015 #29

And neither are the 55 million Americans who are registered Republicans, Hillary. canoeist52 Oct 2015 #30

It was a bizarre response from the candidates who said Iran our biggest threat d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #33

I sure hope we don't invade Iran, just cause the Saudis want us to, or just cause the Isrealis want MasonDreams Oct 2015 #53

rec'd FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #62

I know a lot of Iranian Americans Report1212 Oct 2015 #70

She was throwing a bone to the right with that statement AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #71

Agreed. Nor do I desire to piss off any group who disagrees with me. Fearless Oct 2015 #72

Anyone with a brain knows she meant the government of Iran patsimp Oct 2015 #78

What I don't get is that she says this AND claims a hefty share of the credit for the Iran deal karynnj Oct 2015 #82

The people Gonzalo Oct 2015 #86

knr nt slipslidingaway Oct 2015 #87

Hillary voted to allow the Bush administration to go to war with Iran jfern Oct 2015 #88

This is actually a bullshit lie. tritsofme Oct 2015 #90

I suppose you're going to argue that the Iraq war resolution didn't matter either? jfern Oct 2015 #91

No, the 2002 AUMF is a public law. The other is a sense of the Senate resolution, tritsofme Oct 2015 #92

Iranians are an awesome people! Their government sucks though. Ours sucks too, but not as much. Vattel Oct 2015 #96