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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Please DON'T CALL Hillary A Progressive [View all]think
(11,641 posts)15. She has Keystone lobbyists on her staff. She pushed for TPP 45 times, the Iraq war
vote is inexcusable and trying to compare it to WW2 is just reprehensible. It was a preemptive war based on lies. Lies that Senator Sanders called out when he voted against that despicable war.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/hillary-clinton-lobbyists-campaign-staff-keystone-lehman
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/15/politics/45-times-secretary-clinton-pushed-the-trade-bill-she-now-opposes/
Joseph Stiglitz stated that repealing Glass Steagall was the greatest indirect cause of the 2007 economic meltdown:
The deregulation philosophy would pay unwelcome dividends for years to come. In November 1999, Congress repealed the Glass-Steagall Actthe culmination of a $300 million lobbying effort by the banking and financial-services industries, and spearheaded in Congress by Senator Phil Gramm. Glass-Steagall had long separated commercial banks (which lend money) and investment banks (which organize the sale of bonds and equities); it had been enacted in the aftermath of the Great Depression and was meant to curb the excesses of that era, including grave conflicts of interest. For instance, without separation, if a company whose shares had been issued by an investment bank, with its strong endorsement, got into trouble, wouldnt its commercial arm, if it had one, feel pressure to lend it money, perhaps unwisely? An ensuing spiral of bad judgment is not hard to foresee. I had opposed repeal of Glass-Steagall. The proponents said, in effect, Trust us: we will create Chinese walls to make sure that the problems of the past do not recur. As an economist, I certainly possessed a healthy degree of trust, trust in the power of economic incentives to bend human behavior toward self-interesttoward short-term self-interest, at any rate, rather than Tocquevilles self interest rightly understood.
The most important consequence of the repeal of Glass-Steagall was indirectit lay in the way repeal changed an entire culture. Commercial banks are not supposed to be high-risk ventures; they are supposed to manage other peoples money very conservatively. It is with this understanding that the government agrees to pick up the tab should they fail. Investment banks, on the other hand, have traditionally managed rich peoples moneypeople who can take bigger risks in order to get bigger returns. When repeal of Glass-Steagall brought investment and commercial banks together, the investment-bank culture came out on top. There was a demand for the kind of high returns that could be obtained only through high leverage and big risktaking.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2009/01/stiglitz200901-2
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Your claims would be more persuasive if you could show viability for sanders in general election
Gothmog
Oct 2015
#127
Have you missed all of the posts about how craaaaaaaaaazy Sanders suppoters are getting?
Armstead
Oct 2015
#135
Yes Clinton is rich and she can buy the nomination. Maybe her millionaires will...
Armstead
Oct 2015
#252
It's all relative. I personally view Hillary as unelectable and as unable to serve as president.
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#144
And how do you overcome being outspent by the RNC candidate and the Koch brothers?
Gothmog
Oct 2015
#172
I would love to see how we can ever attain a true representative democracy as long as the
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#166
We need a constitutional amendment combined with chsnges in state laws changing the definitions of
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#233
Actually Sanders has been quite competitive in several polls that measured his
totodeinhere
Oct 2015
#206
This might come as a shock to you; but, while those issues might matter ...
1StrongBlackMan
Oct 2015
#116
We all do that. It's human nature. Especially for those who are passionate about issues
Armstead
Oct 2015
#164
If she wins the nomination and she's up against any of those candidates the GOP is fielding
LynneSin
Oct 2015
#175
You have a point but IMO it's just a stale sequal to a movie that's getting old
Armstead
Oct 2015
#177
Ironic that those that hate the far left want to believe that HRC is progressive. She is a neolibera
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#197
There is only one box. Each orbital can contain up to two electrons. Which electron decays first?
DhhD
Oct 2015
#98
She has Keystone lobbyists on her staff. She pushed for TPP 45 times, the Iraq war
think
Oct 2015
#15
I don't think you can call it "opposition" if she's been on both sides of an issue.
Jester Messiah
Oct 2015
#95
Two words come to mind. "Gold Standard" - Hillary Clinton on the TPP prior to a final bill.
Bubzer
Oct 2015
#182
"she has a habit of stealing Bernie's positions and claiming them her own..."
BeanMusical
Oct 2015
#228
I'd like to add her signing the Bankruptcy "Reform" Act. NOTHING "pgrogressive"
CharlotteVale
Oct 2015
#8
She's been consistent on one issue... NOT PROGRESSIVE on supporting H-1B quota expansion!!!
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#60
Mostly on issues that don't cost the wealthy and the corporations anything
dreamnightwind
Oct 2015
#160
Give it time, we'll also be dictating the clothes you wear, how you think and what you eat
LynneSin
Oct 2015
#176
Calling her a progrogressive is another trick like Republicans using bogus names on legislation.
GoneFishin
Oct 2015
#35
Who said she's a Progressive? Even Hillary herself confirmed that she is firmly
NorthCarolina
Oct 2015
#42
Fine, let's stick to Democrat and Independent, the terms that actually matter. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2015
#43
He's running as a Democrat, and finally gives REAL Democrats someone to vote for...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#87
If you ever tuned to Thom Hartmann the way most PROGRESSIVES do these days...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#107
Which is why those trying to blame Nader for losing should support Instant Runoff Voting...
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#258
She may not be as progressive as you like, but anyone may choose to consider her progressive
ToxMarz
Oct 2015
#64
Is their no bad policy that Hillary supporters won't ignore to elect her President?
Maedhros
Oct 2015
#149
I'm not demanding you not say something, but that you back up what you are saying...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#113
Yes, with the "Progressive" Policy Institute, and the "Progressive" Coalition for American Jobs...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#101
I consider Hillary supporters to be my political opponents, in a larger sense than just
Maedhros
Oct 2015
#152
IMO she is at best a centrist more accurately a I'll say whatever will get me a vote ist
azurnoir
Oct 2015
#132
You are entitled to your opinion on this issue and we are entitled to our opinion
Gothmog
Oct 2015
#136
We might want to figure out how to stand together ... or we will surely hang seperately
NotHardly
Oct 2015
#178
Ironically those that spew hatred toward the "far left". They are so easily fooled. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#198
yesterday the proprietor of the new hate site proclaimed that progressives are the worst enemy
Doctor_J
Oct 2015
#189
How about "please don't call Clinton a progressive during the primary"? Clearly, she is no
Attorney in Texas
Oct 2015
#194
So you say her stand on SS isn't progressive? Just because it sounds like the same shit
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#223
It would take a special kind of idiot to call Hillary Clinton a progressive.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#235
I don't think half the people on this site would call Hillary a Progressive. SHE doesn't btw. I
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#236
I refuse to accept defeat before a single vote is cast. Obviously, some politicians disagree n/t
JonLeibowitz
Oct 2015
#247
I call Hillary a corporate conservative, always have but she now seems to have gone
Todays_Illusion
Nov 2015
#254
Her election campaign sell out was pretty obvious, first she was moving left along with Bernie, then
Todays_Illusion
Nov 2015
#263