2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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136. You are entitled to your opinion on this issue and we are entitled to our opinion

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Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:59 AM

Oct 2015

I disagree with the premise of this thread and I beleive that Hillary Clinton is a progressive.

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Please DON'T CALL Hillary A Progressive [View all] Segami Oct 2015 OP

We'll just call her POTUS instead. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #1

Madam President will do also. riversedge Oct 2015 #3

Queen erronis Oct 2015 #48

Please DON'T TELL me what to say SCantiGOP Oct 2015 #165

OK. It's your call. No god, no pushy. Just HRH. erronis Oct 2015 #187

my complaint in my post above SCantiGOP Oct 2015 #190

I think she might like that. Bubzer Oct 2015 #180

I'm thinking this is sexist treestar Oct 2015 #244

I suppose none of those issues matter Armstead Oct 2015 #11

And yet .. artislife Oct 2015 #32

Yep. "Unhinged attacks" Armstead Oct 2015 #56

careful artislife Oct 2015 #106

Just describing a term often levelled at Sanders supporters Armstead Oct 2015 #112

Your claims would be more persuasive if you could show viability for sanders in general election Gothmog Oct 2015 #127

Have you missed all of the posts about how craaaaaaaaaazy Sanders suppoters are getting? Armstead Oct 2015 #135

These posts do not demonstrate or answer my questions as to viablity Gothmog Oct 2015 #157

I'm not a political strategist, but here's my own layman's take Armstead Oct 2015 #162

+1. n/t ms liberty Oct 2015 #225

You got to be kidding Gothmog Oct 2015 #250

Yes Clinton is rich and she can buy the nomination. Maybe her millionaires will... Armstead Oct 2015 #252

Sanders is not viable in the General election Gothmog Nov 2015 #256

Point well made Gothmog saidsimplesimon Oct 2015 #241

I'll let Bernie tell your "friend." Fawke Em Nov 2015 #261

It's all relative. I personally view Hillary as unelectable and as unable to serve as president. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #144

Knife to a Gun Fight Gothmog Oct 2015 #156

Don't you see the absurdity of your floriduck Oct 2015 #159

And how do you overcome being outspent by the RNC candidate and the Koch brothers? Gothmog Oct 2015 #172

The whole purpose of money in politics is to floriduck Oct 2015 #192

I would love to see how we can ever attain a true representative democracy as long as the JDPriestly Oct 2015 #166

No Democrat likes Citizens United Gothmog Oct 2015 #171

We need a constitutional amendment combined with chsnges in state laws changing the definitions of JDPriestly Oct 2015 #233

Agreed. There are polls out there showing Bernie beating Trump Lorien Oct 2015 #211

Actually Sanders has been quite competitive in several polls that measured his totodeinhere Oct 2015 #206

Sanders appeals to the 63%. Clinton does not. eridani Oct 2015 #239

Nope, not one. paleotn Oct 2015 #54

Wow is this just an utterly insipid post mythology Nov 2015 #264

This might come as a shock to you; but, while those issues might matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #116

It comes as no surprise whatsoever Armstead Oct 2015 #123

What I am saying is ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #125

I can only speak for myself, as can you Armstead Oct 2015 #130

Yes ... We can only speak for ourselves; but, we can, also ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #138

We all do that. It's human nature. Especially for those who are passionate about issues Armstead Oct 2015 #164

What matters more than women's rights and unions? JDPriestly Oct 2015 #141

If she wins the nomination and she's up against any of those candidates the GOP is fielding LynneSin Oct 2015 #175

You have a point but IMO it's just a stale sequal to a movie that's getting old Armstead Oct 2015 #177

OMG....... Hepburn Oct 2015 #62

it makes me so sick that I leave words out my sentences :( anti partisan Oct 2015 #129

Works for me! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #110

That works for me leftofcool Oct 2015 #117

For me also Gothmog Oct 2015 #128

We'll be calling Sanders Mr. President! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #134

That's it!? No other response to what was said in the OP? sammythecat Oct 2015 #148

God forbid. 840high Oct 2015 #163

Sorry penndragon69 Oct 2015 #201

Ya wanta bet? classykaren Oct 2015 #202

Yep... SharpProgress Oct 2015 #227

No dice. riversedge Oct 2015 #2

I used to click on these H responses thinking cprise Oct 2015 #72

I have hope--but it is discouraging. riversedge Oct 2015 #199

Ironic that those that hate the far left want to believe that HRC is progressive. She is a neolibera rhett o rick Oct 2015 #197

I have always found her to the right of her husband. Flying Phoenix Oct 2015 #4

What's in the box... riversedge Oct 2015 #5

Shrodingers Cat Fuddnik Oct 2015 #33

You looked in the wrong box riversedge Oct 2015 #36

She's Lieberman in a skirt. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #41

What principles? erronis Oct 2015 #49

Joe was far more liberal and trustworthy than Hillary. N/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #66

There is only one box. Each orbital can contain up to two electrons. Which electron decays first? DhhD Oct 2015 #98

This box? cui bono Oct 2015 #210

Hillary Clinton is a neoliberal. 99Forever Oct 2015 #6

With neocon foreign policy: cprise Oct 2015 #79

A neoliberal is a neocon that goes left on just... 99Forever Oct 2015 #137

Bingo! rhett o rick Oct 2015 #196

Granny D: Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #204

Lets respond to some of these: JaneyVee Oct 2015 #7

She has Keystone lobbyists on her staff. She pushed for TPP 45 times, the Iraq war think Oct 2015 #15

It's their party, they can lie if they want to... erronis Oct 2015 #52

Wasn't aware that there had been a whole bunch truebluegreen Oct 2015 #26

FDR, Truman, LBJ, JFK, Obama. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #57

Your history is weak on this point. blackspade Oct 2015 #131

Even Republican Dwight Eisenhower was way more "progressive" than Hillary. bvar22 Oct 2015 #186

bvar22, thanks for this comment saidsimplesimon Oct 2015 #242

Oh, so "progressive" is just a synonym for "Democrat." truebluegreen Oct 2015 #224

This is the most information-rich defense of Hillary cprise Oct 2015 #70

Which one you want a defense for? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #74

I don't think you can call it "opposition" if she's been on both sides of an issue. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #95

+1 Bubzer Oct 2015 #181

She supported the TPP for years and then... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #102

No, because she said final bill doesn't include currency manipulation. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #109

There is a helluva lot more wrong... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #124

Two words come to mind. "Gold Standard" - Hillary Clinton on the TPP prior to a final bill. Bubzer Oct 2015 #182

"she has a habit of stealing Bernie's positions and claiming them her own..." BeanMusical Oct 2015 #228

She's lying about TPP because the changes made after her tenure cprise Oct 2015 #118

Right! Bubzer Oct 2015 #184

But none of that matters. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #119

I'd like to add her signing the Bankruptcy "Reform" Act. NOTHING "pgrogressive" CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #8

Her opposition to the TPP was mild at best. azmom Oct 2015 #9

Oh yes,...typical lawyer,.....using her famous wiggle-words "as of today" Segami Oct 2015 #16

She's been consistent on one issue... NOT PROGRESSIVE on supporting H-1B quota expansion!!! cascadiance Oct 2015 #60

I have a hard time calling her a democrat...n/t monmouth4 Oct 2015 #10

I wouldn't worry too much...18-20 Million other Democrats can brooklynite Oct 2015 #13

Who would have been Republicans 30 years ago. (nt) paleotn Oct 2015 #55

exactly Go Vols Oct 2015 #151

President Clinton will do. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #12

Will do what? JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #77

See a doctor. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #82

Heh JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #88

Welcome aboard. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #91

Don't I know it JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #221

She isn't pinebox Oct 2015 #14

Why would any real Democrat vote INdemo Oct 2015 #17

Hillary is a progressive in the same way Bristol Palin is a virgin. Scuba Oct 2015 #18

Perfect analogy. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #27

<snort> truebluegreen Oct 2015 #29

snap! nt restorefreedom Oct 2015 #47

Yes, that's about the most accurate LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #53

+1,000,000 n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #67

Shots fired!! Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #97

Hillary is A Progressive.. stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #19

And Rmoney was a progressive populist... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #89

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #20

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #21

She's a self admitted moderate...but she does feel guilty about it. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #22

LOL! Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #96

Hillary is a progressive. (nt) Skinner Oct 2015 #23

Advocacy for the death penalty is not a progressive value. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #111

She, at best, has socially progressive leanings... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #121

Fooled you too, huh? n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #158

Apparently MissDeeds Oct 2015 #205

Mostly on issues that don't cost the wealthy and the corporations anything dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #160

Define "Progressive" Lorien Oct 2015 #213

Thank you for dictating to me who I may or may not call progressive. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #24

Words have meanings. Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #99

true.. Hillary Clinton is a progressive. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #104

Insistence != truth Jester Messiah Oct 2015 #140

So, in fairness angrychair Oct 2015 #191

like Socialist? redstateblues Oct 2015 #251

Give it time, we'll also be dictating the clothes you wear, how you think and what you eat LynneSin Oct 2015 #176

First off angrychair Oct 2015 #193

I can call her a lot of things. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #25

Hillary is a progressive treestar Oct 2015 #28

Anyone who thinks she is a Marxist TBF Oct 2015 #71

In talking to right wingers, I have tried that treestar Oct 2015 #243

Watch what she DOES, not what she SAYS. AzDar Oct 2015 #30

Hillary is a progressive RandySF Oct 2015 #31

By her standards, so was Maggie Thatcher. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #34

most ridiculous post on this thread Sheepshank Oct 2015 #45

Amen! n/t Hepburn Oct 2015 #69

True. It would be interesting to do a side by side comparison Lorien Oct 2015 #214

Repeating a statement doesn't make it true Lorien Oct 2015 #215

Hillary is a dolphin passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #220

Calling her a progrogressive is another trick like Republicans using bogus names on legislation. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #35

Pot is for losers NYCButterfinger Oct 2015 #37

So is junk food dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #161

Just more than a bit annoyed that people.... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #38

They have laws against fraud and false advertising. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #44

are you on the right thread? Sheepshank Oct 2015 #50

Then I'm calling Bernie the best Democrat we've got Armstead Oct 2015 #58

you can call him anything you want ;) Sheepshank Oct 2015 #83

Okay Armstead Oct 2015 #105

If Hillary becomes president nyabingi Oct 2015 #39

+1 Go Vols Oct 2015 #154

exactly Locrian Oct 2015 #207

Drama Queen (or King) The end is near! redstateblues Nov 2015 #255

I will make up my own mind what I will call her thank you very much liberal N proud Oct 2015 #40

Who said she's a Progressive? Even Hillary herself confirmed that she is firmly NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #42

Fine, let's stick to Democrat and Independent, the terms that actually matter. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #43

I can't do that. Fuddnik Oct 2015 #51

Voters don't have to but candidates do ucrdem Oct 2015 #65

If being a democratic party member is the only thing to judge people by... cascadiance Oct 2015 #76

I get it, but if he's not a D he's an I. Good luck with that on Nov 8. ucrdem Oct 2015 #81

He's running as a Democrat, and finally gives REAL Democrats someone to vote for... cascadiance Oct 2015 #87

I'm not suggesting it, but yes I am predicting it. ucrdem Oct 2015 #92

If you ever tuned to Thom Hartmann the way most PROGRESSIVES do these days... cascadiance Oct 2015 #107

Hope you're right. ucrdem Oct 2015 #185

There are flaws with the two party system PoliticalMalcontent Oct 2015 #219

Which is why those trying to blame Nader for losing should support Instant Runoff Voting... cascadiance Nov 2015 #258

Instant Runoff Voting sounds good to me PoliticalMalcontent Nov 2015 #259

I'm a lifelong Democrat redstateblues Nov 2015 #253

This poll says you are WRONG, and the polls you cite are WRONG... cascadiance Nov 2015 #257

To be a progressive leader MurrayDelph Oct 2015 #46

Hillary is a progressive. JTFrog Oct 2015 #59

Hillary progressive? paleotn Oct 2015 #61

If she wins, the bankers will continue to have sleepovers in the White House! dmosh42 Oct 2015 #63

They'll all "progress" to the Oval Office... KansDem Oct 2015 #100

She may not be as progressive as you like, but anyone may choose to consider her progressive ToxMarz Oct 2015 #64

Is their no bad policy that Hillary supporters won't ignore to elect her President? Maedhros Oct 2015 #149

As Justice Potter Stewart said "I know it when I see it" ToxMarz Oct 2015 #167

never have and i don't plan to start now. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #68

Hillary is the most progressive candidate in the race. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #73

Saying she does without explanation is rather useless! cascadiance Oct 2015 #78

Demanding people not say something is counter productive. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #80

I'm not demanding you not say something, but that you back up what you are saying... cascadiance Oct 2015 #113

Because they're infidels?.... paleotn Oct 2015 #115

It's faith-based mindwalker_i Oct 2015 #147

You should calm down and get a grip. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #260

That is an incredibly illogical attitude. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #262

pfffffffffttt!...... paleotn Oct 2015 #103

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #75

This. kath Oct 2015 #90

Yep Go Vols Oct 2015 #155

Yes. Thank you. 840high Oct 2015 #170

It wasn't an attempt at humor? Babel_17 Oct 2015 #84

It Depends On How We Define "Progressive" These Days. Some examples: NonMetro Oct 2015 #85

Yes, with the "Progressive" Policy Institute, and the "Progressive" Coalition for American Jobs... cascadiance Oct 2015 #101

I agree. Still, HRC Kind Of Defines What A "Progressive" Is These Days NonMetro Oct 2015 #122

Just as "Liberal" was co-opted as a pejorative by the Republicans, Maedhros Oct 2015 #150

Those are all GOP positions on the issues Lorien Oct 2015 #218

Sure, but they are also Hillary Clinton's positions... NonMetro Oct 2015 #222

Use her own words, Hillary told Rachel Maddow she's MasonDreams Oct 2015 #86

apparently your use of "please" suggests a rude demand stupidicus Oct 2015 #93

Hillary's an aggressive.. raindaddy Oct 2015 #94

The only way she could call herself a progressive GummyBearz Oct 2015 #108

I bet she doesn't even know Flo! yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #168

Hillary is a progressive JohnnyRingo Oct 2015 #114

you're not supposed to vote for the supporters Desert805 Oct 2015 #216

Hillary Clinton is and has always been a progressive. Nitram Oct 2015 #120

Please don't call Hillary your enemy either DownriverDem Oct 2015 #126

I consider Hillary supporters to be my political opponents, in a larger sense than just Maedhros Oct 2015 #152

IMO she is at best a centrist more accurately a I'll say whatever will get me a vote ist azurnoir Oct 2015 #132

On the surface is one thing, delving deeper Rebkeh Oct 2015 #133

You are entitled to your opinion on this issue and we are entitled to our opinion Gothmog Oct 2015 #136

Not Another Post About This Crap? Gamecock Lefty Oct 2015 #139

Warmongering corporatist fits the bill. Broward Oct 2015 #142

Amen! xynthee Oct 2015 #143

I don't want to consider Hillary my enemy olddots Oct 2015 #145

Hillary Clinton is not your enemy Tarc Oct 2015 #146

You are technically correct FlatBaroque Oct 2015 #173

Especially since she herself says she's a "moderate" arcane1 Oct 2015 #153

I don't! n/t sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #169

I'll call her anything I want LynneSin Oct 2015 #174

We might want to figure out how to stand together ... or we will surely hang seperately NotHardly Oct 2015 #178

She's pragmatic, and so am I HassleCat Oct 2015 #179

To those who call Hillary a progressive Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #183

Great post. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #195

Who in their right mind would call Hillary Clinton a progressive? senz Oct 2015 #188

Ironically those that spew hatred toward the "far left". They are so easily fooled. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #198

yesterday the proprietor of the new hate site proclaimed that progressives are the worst enemy Doctor_J Oct 2015 #189

How about "please don't call Clinton a progressive during the primary"? Clearly, she is no Attorney in Texas Oct 2015 #194

Hillary is a Progressive. n/t Lil Missy Oct 2015 #200

Mass Hypnosis colsohlibgal Oct 2015 #203

In her own words passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #208

+1 Segami Oct 2015 #209

The inherent difficulty with crony capitalists. raouldukelives Oct 2015 #240

LABELS SMABELS BootinUp Oct 2015 #212

Hillary is a Third Wayer, period. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #217

So you say her stand on SS isn't progressive? Just because it sounds like the same shit rhett o rick Oct 2015 #223

K&R'd & bookmarked. snot Oct 2015 #226

Hillary Clinton is a Progressive nt. Rincewind Oct 2015 #229

Really Unusual For DailyKOS rtb61 Oct 2015 #230

What Idiot Did That? billhicks76 Oct 2015 #231

Hillary is a Progressive Maedhros Oct 2015 #232

Bravo! marym625 Oct 2015 #234

It would take a special kind of idiot to call Hillary Clinton a progressive. DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2015 #235

I don't think half the people on this site would call Hillary a Progressive. SHE doesn't btw. I sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #236

just dropped in to say SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #237

Speaking of endorsements and encouragement.. JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #245

Emily's List promotes women candidates. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #246

I refuse to accept defeat before a single vote is cast. Obviously, some politicians disagree n/t JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #247

Good. That's the right thing to do. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #248

Will do! JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #249

my favorite kind of progressive - a persuasive pragmatic one. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2015 #238

I call Hillary a corporate conservative, always have but she now seems to have gone Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #254

Her election campaign sell out was pretty obvious, first she was moving left along with Bernie, then Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #263