2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Unfortunately it's a fact, some voters will not support Clinton if she is Democratic nominee [View all]thucythucy
(8,039 posts)I support Sanders. Will vote for him in the primary. I've said that several times now.
I will also support whoever gets the Democratic nomination for President of the United States, and all the Democrats on my ballot. Evidently you will not, which will only harm, not help, any progressive agenda you might hold dear. If you will in fact support the Democratic nominee, then we have no argument. None. But since you've been unwilling thus far to make that clear, my fears about a Trump or Cruz presidency is hardly a straw man. No more than my fears of a Bush II presidency were in 2000.
As for my ability to change the world in forty years, well, just as Bernie isn't "the messiah" (and whoever said he was?) neither am I. In fact Bernie has been in politics longer than I, and at a higher level--shouldn't you be pissed off at him for not making the world more to your liking?
And you mistook my question about what happens after the nomination. I'm talking about the general election campaign for president. Bernie isn't going to be automatically anointed as soon as he gets the Democratic nod. He will be opposed by the same ruthless, unprincipled sleazy but oh-so-well funded opponents as Clinton, should she get the nomination instead. In fact, I predict the campaign against Bernie will be even more ruthless, since Clinton isn't nearly the same existential threat to the powers that be.
That's your whole argument, right? That Bernie represents genuine change, and Clinton doesn't? So why is it so many Bernie supporters seem to think he'll have an easier time winning the general than Clinton? I think they'll both have an uphill battle, which is why I'm so concerned about party unity.
You don't like Clinton, that much is clear. And you'd prefer to arrive at "hell" faster rather than slower, for some reason I don't fathom at all. It would seem to me that anyone who has had a taste of genuine Hell would be in no hurry to get there, but who knows? Some of us are masochists. Some of us, not getting our way in all things immediately, would just as soon pull down the temple entire, and consequences be damned.
Not me, though. If Hell is coming, I'd just as soon put it off as long as possible, for everybody's sake.