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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Even if Bernie Sanders doesn't win the primary, he has given every indication that he will [View all]Jarqui
(10,110 posts)96. You've got blinders on. You not ever going to take me seriously
I'm not afraid of a right wing take because I'm confident I can quickly sort through what parts are true and what parts seem false.
I don't go into with with the assumption that everything they say is false because that's not true. They're not always 100% wrong while we're always 100% right.
President Obama Says Protesters Need to 'Be Able to Listen' to the Other Side
http://www.latinpost.com/articles/95155/20151116/mizzou-protests-president-obama-protesters-need-listen-side.htm
The president explained that it's very important for protesters to "be able to listen" to dissenting ideas in order to be effective in winning over people who have a different set of beliefs.
The president also referenced protesters during Civil Rights Movement who engaged in acts of civil disobedience and were willing to go to jail in order to stand up against discrimination. However, he added that "the leadership of the movement consistently stayed open to the possibility of reconciliation and sought to understand the views - even views that were appalling to them of the other side."
The president, who protested against apartheid in South Africa as a college student, went on to talk about students on some college campuses that have tried to shut out speech they disagree with and prevented controversial people from speaking on campus.
"You don't have to be fearful of somebody spouting bad ideas. Just out-argue them. Beat them. Make the case as to why they're wrong. Win over adherents," he said.
I don't have time to research whether LatinPost is right wing or not. I don't care. I knew Obama had said stuff like that many times before so I grabbed the first one with his quotes that are not perfect but loosely good enough.
We shouldn't be afraid of the other side or put blinkers on because we miss opportunities to learn - even when they're being ignorant like Donald Trump. We can learn from an excerpt and watch Bernie or Hillary take his position apart. Or we might learn something about their perspective that helps us propose a better solution.
We're supposed to be intelligent adults. We should be able to handle it. Unfortunately, you're someone who can't do that. That's your loss.
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Even if Bernie Sanders doesn't win the primary, he has given every indication that he will [View all]
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
OP
All true, but another real telling point that for me makes her complicit is that instead
Dustlawyer
Dec 2015
#49
Yeah, you're most justified in "shooting the messengers" if they are william safire and jonah efn
Cha
Dec 2015
#98
Do you always use virulently right-wing sources to "prove" your points, or is this a one-off?
MADem
Dec 2015
#67
He took a golden parachute six years ago--all you've got are Republicans and retirees.
MADem
Dec 2015
#90
Nope. What we really have is the lame hope that we'd fall for someone shooting the messenger
Jarqui
Dec 2015
#93
The TOS only says Jarqui must not be a wingnut neo-con freak / right-winger; not his sources...
JonLeibowitz
Dec 2015
#104
I judge people by the company they keep. If a person keeps using right wing sources to
MADem
Dec 2015
#105
Ah, the NYT, the 'Grey Lady.' Ever since they hired Judy Miller, I don't think much of them, either!
MADem
Dec 2015
#108
Yeah they have fallen quite a bit in repute. I try to be a lot more careful to look at facts,
JonLeibowitz
Dec 2015
#111
"He voted against the resolution when he knew his vote would not make a difference"
Jarqui
Dec 2015
#123
Nothing, but nothing will keep me from voting for Hillary in the General Election!
onehandle
Dec 2015
#2
We have our own minds. My candidate doesn't cast my vote in the booth. I'll cast my vote for the
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#3
My support for Bernie is about a lot of things, most especially his track record of fighting for the
Ed Suspicious
Dec 2015
#74
and if Bernie doesn't get the nomination and his supporters fail to heed his endorsement
onenote
Dec 2015
#77
The party has gone out of its way to insult liberals and Sanders supporters, and the hillarians
Doctor_J
Dec 2015
#11
To be honest as a Hillary Supporter I have not felt the olive branch and have been hit
Thinkingabout
Dec 2015
#43
One person, one vote. Our vote is ours to cast, not Bernie's. No one tells another person
in_cog_ni_to
Dec 2015
#12
I don't like her, she's fake, insincere, and a liar, but I will vote for her. She's
JRLeft
Dec 2015
#14
Let's not pretend Hillary winning is a good thing, she's bad for America, because
JRLeft
Dec 2015
#27
People often say things in the heat of the moment that they may not totally mean,
Blue_In_AK
Dec 2015
#32
Anyone who says they won't vote for the Democratic candidate in the general....
mac2766
Dec 2015
#38
The people who will or won't vote for the nominee on DU are irrelivent in the grand scheme.
RichVRichV
Dec 2015
#113
sure... but if you respect his ideas greatly, won't you respect his endorsement?
Fast Walker 52
Dec 2015
#71
If we're playing some sort of non-sequitur game, I'll point out that it's partly cloudy outside
onenote
Dec 2015
#88
It's not a non-sequitur. It demonstrates your claim about total numbers is not actually true.
jeff47
Dec 2015
#89
a number of Hillary supporters have said that they would never support Bernie
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2015
#95
People should vote their conscience and not merely how others tell them to vote
aikoaiko
Dec 2015
#102
I think Hillary supporter comments, DWS and Hillary's own snark may have a lot to do with it. nt
Live and Learn
Dec 2015
#103
This is larger than Bernie. That's why even if he doesn't win his message will continue.
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2015
#112
Being a bernie supporter has nothing to do with the fact that I will NOT vote for hill
bowens43
Dec 2015
#126