2016 Postmortem

cascadiance

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64. This was obvious at work with Rubio's comments on H-1B in the Republican debate...

Wed Dec 30, 2015, 07:29 PM

Dec 2015

... when he was criticizing Cruz for switching gears and now joining forces with others in congress to work AGAINST H-1B when he was against it before. Cruz is seeing Trump's stance against H-1B and is trying to get on that more Republican populist bandwagon, and Rubio felt threatened by that effort and called out Cruz on his hypocrisy there. Trump has his skeletons in trying to be a "populist" too, with his comments on the minimum wage that Bernie has taken him to task on.

The door is wide open on areas such as Free Trade, H-1B , and others that are part of fixing inequality, that he'll be the only pure candidate working for the people's interests, and by the positioning shown above, pressure is on the Republicans now to take populist positions too. Bernie will clearly have an advantage for the non-xenophobe Republican populists over all of the Republicans where Hillary is likely to lose to them on those issues.

Right wing press sites like Breitbart in some ways are even more vocal than progressive sites now on the effect on American jobs that guest worker programs and free trade agreements have on middle class Americans. It will be these areas that will be critical to win the election in 2016.

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Bernie Sanders is too extreme for America [View all] Scuba Dec 2015 OP

My kind of extreme. 99Forever Dec 2015 #1

+1 daleanime Dec 2015 #12

Sanders is not a Dem: He will considered commie by the GOP lewebley3 Dec 2015 #38

I don't give a fuck what Teapublicans think or say. period 99Forever Dec 2015 #41

That poster is suspect, and comes off as a republican. JRLeft Dec 2015 #46

Quite. kath Jan 2016 #175

I'm convinced the poster is a troll. JRLeft Jan 2016 #178

+1000 Karma13612 Dec 2015 #71

guys you shouldn't feed trolls navarth Dec 2015 #87

I may be letting my navy vet flag fly.... Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #105

That is your opinion INdemo Dec 2015 #42

We should let them pick our nominee why now? TDale313 Dec 2015 #51

Picking Sanders is like picking McGvoern: a 49 state loss: McGovern was lewebley3 Dec 2015 #55

Different person, different personality, different communicator, different time. TryLogic Dec 2015 #56

a horrible comparison Roy Ellefson Dec 2015 #60

Just the truth: McGovern was even more accomplished then Sanders lewebley3 Dec 2015 #66

not even close to the truth Roy Ellefson Dec 2015 #69

No: he was not right for most American's: like Sander left winger is not right lewebley3 Dec 2015 #76

I think you missed something important. kristopher Dec 2015 #117

You are, and have been for years, one of the best "posters" on the DU. ladjf Dec 2015 #127

Tricky Dick dedicated his life to help Women? He was a pro Gay rights and pro minority randys1 Jan 2016 #176

True comparison: Dems have learned from their mistakes: Hillary is ready lewebley3 Dec 2015 #136

A Different Time Today... Different Result! Watch Iowa And NH... fer Starters... CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #96

And here's the other thing about that Volaris Dec 2015 #109

And how will Clinton be considered bvf Dec 2015 #92

So millions of new voters wont show up specifically to elect our first Woman prez? randys1 Jan 2016 #177

No, only Hill people floriduck Dec 2015 #95

Sanders gave no supporting speeches to the Dem party until he want to run for President lewebley3 Jan 2016 #154

Anyone "considered a commie" by the GOP John Poet Dec 2015 #100

Its not Americas guy: Amercia's guy is middle of the road lewebley3 Jan 2016 #155

uh oh... Bradical79 Dec 2015 #110

And should Hillary win, she will be greeted with rose petals and chocolates by the repubs corkhead Dec 2015 #119

Are you really Yoda? tularetom Dec 2015 #151

Sanders is not a Dem: He is socialist: Americans reject him lewebley3 Dec 2015 #57

Name calling again without any depth of reasoning beyond that again... Desperation shows!!! cascadiance Dec 2015 #62

Its not a name its what he has called himself for 72 years: just a fact lewebley3 Dec 2015 #63

He's been doing more than just calling himself names for his career... cascadiance Dec 2015 #65

He loved the name: until he decide he wanted to the Dem nominee lewebley3 Dec 2015 #68

Rich socialist term is an oxymoron, which appears to reflect your FLAWED thinking.... cascadiance Dec 2015 #97

He has not turned his back on the name, but you're getting it wrong boobooday Dec 2015 #121

Democratic Party means the government works for people: not socialist lewebley3 Dec 2015 #135

You just showed that you really don't understand the real meaning of socialism... cascadiance Dec 2015 #149

Yes, I do, and so do most American know the meaning of socialism lewebley3 Jan 2016 #153

If they do, then what is about it that they will vote against in your opinion... cascadiance Jan 2016 #159

I guess all American's are dumb or elites that reject Sanders lewebley3 Jan 2016 #162

You still seem incapable of explaining WHY being a socialist is bad... cascadiance Jan 2016 #169

The rest of time he was just a big talker: Let other people carry water lewebley3 Dec 2015 #77

The only place I've heard anyone mention Socialist madokie Dec 2015 #91

Bernice's socialist baggage redstateblues Dec 2015 #103

What ever you think madokie Dec 2015 #107

Get used to hearing redstateblues Dec 2015 #131

Desperate BS which is WRONG! Polls show Bernie does better in the General Election... cascadiance Dec 2015 #150

Everyone knows what a socialist is: No depth of thinking is required lewebley3 Dec 2015 #138

A loyal Dem (a TRADITIONAL values Dem) would embrace many aspects of socialist philosophy... cascadiance Dec 2015 #148

Its is not name calling: and the Depth has been Sanders career lewebley3 Jan 2016 #165

Asked and answered. 99Forever Dec 2015 #72

Sanders own unforce er lewebley3 Dec 2015 #75

I have no idea what you are trying to say. 99Forever Dec 2015 #80

Yes you do lewebley3 Dec 2015 #84

No sir, I actually don't. 99Forever Dec 2015 #86

Your rhetoric hasn't changed lewebley3 Jan 2016 #168

This message was self-deleted by its author c588415 Dec 2015 #74

Ho Hum... ChiciB1 Dec 2015 #93

Bernie reminds me a lot of Bobby Kennedy Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #157

Oh, Bobby Kennedy... Memories Of My Broken Heart! ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #160

I do, too Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #161

Oh, The Memories! What's Even Worse When Thinking ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #170

Great post! Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #174

I don't give a fuck sammythecat Dec 2015 #94

Vulgarism makes you look like a limited thinker: You statment looks lewebley3 Dec 2015 #137

Oh. I'm disappointed. sammythecat Dec 2015 #147

Neither do most American's: That is why most Americans a Dem lewebley3 Jan 2016 #164

Holy shit; you're right! Orsino Jan 2016 #163

Same as Trump lewebley3 Jan 2016 #166

This is nothing new firebrand80 Dec 2015 #2

Wrong. We have no idea how a far left liberal will do if elected President. Dawgs Dec 2015 #3

That's kinda my point firebrand80 Dec 2015 #4

When was the last time a far left candidate got plastered in the GE? Dawgs Dec 2015 #5

Mondale, then Dukakis firebrand80 Dec 2015 #6

Neither Mondale nor Dukakis were left liberals. That's a smear with no basis in reality. hedda_foil Dec 2015 #14

Nixon? I think you mean Reagan geardaddy Dec 2015 #16

Thanks. You're right of course. Correcting it now. hedda_foil Dec 2015 #19

You're welcome geardaddy Dec 2015 #21

BY today's standards, Nixon would be a flaming liberal ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2015 #35

So would Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt davidpdx Dec 2015 #104

True ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2015 #143

Yup. geardaddy Dec 2015 #146

Mondale, Dukakis , Nader, and Sanders are same: The Clintons know how to win lewebley3 Dec 2015 #39

Bill Clinton benefitted from Perot in both elections ybbor Dec 2015 #47

Bullshit. Clinton would have won if they were two-person races. No question. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #48

This argument has "that giant sucking sound." Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #52

Nope! It would have depended on where the anti-NAFTA voters went then... cascadiance Jan 2016 #171

But: Bill won twice: and he benefitted by great team work with DNC lewebley3 Dec 2015 #134

Stuff and nonsense. Bill won in '92 with far less than a majority because Perot siphoned votes ... hedda_foil Dec 2015 #111

But Bill did win: and he was considered too left wing: too liberal lewebley3 Dec 2015 #133

No. That was a Gingrich meme. It had nothing to do with Dems and Dem leaners hedda_foil Dec 2015 #139

Yes, it does: its a reality the Sanders people like the Mcgoven supporters lewebley3 Dec 2015 #140

Try looking a little deeper than these superficial memes. hedda_foil Dec 2015 #142

No superficiallly at all: its History: The Clintons learned and Dems won lewebley3 Dec 2015 #144

The polite term for the type of behavior in which you are indulging is propaganda. hedda_foil Dec 2015 #145

How many elections has HRC won? tazkcmo Dec 2015 #122

Hillary has never been beat by the GOP lewebley3 Dec 2015 #132

She's only run for office against Republicans twice Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #158

The Clintons won in red state: As Dem's lewebley3 Jan 2016 #167

I like Dukakis, but he had little "fire in the belly"--certainly Bernie has a lot of that fire! Akamai Dec 2015 #54

And the media so ignored Kucinich, most Americans have STILL never heard of him. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #20

The media !! TryLogic Dec 2015 #58

Bernie's policies are actually down the middle. Only Bill Oreily calls it far left litlbilly Dec 2015 #7

And Hillary Old Codger Dec 2015 #8

Bernie's best laugh line was calling Ike a 'Socialist'. I'm sure even Ike KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #10

Total and complete BULLSHIT. This is mega-left non-reality. RBInMaine Dec 2015 #49

Maybe Old Codger Dec 2015 #50

wow, you are sure living in a bubble LiberalLovinLug Dec 2015 #78

No I am Dem: I call Sanders far left and many Dem's do lewebley3 Dec 2015 #40

huh? Roy Ellefson Dec 2015 #61

Which "Far left candiates" were "plastered in the GE"? daleanime Dec 2015 #13

We never had an African American elected either! And we need a Progressive like Sanders. Duval Dec 2015 #36

FDR was NOT a 'far-left liberal'. In 1932, he ran as a moderate. Actually, 'far-left KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #9

Uh, okay. n/t Dawgs Dec 2015 #17

in other words, you can't really dispute the facts in the matter stupidicus Dec 2015 #24

I did what now? nt firebrand80 Dec 2015 #26

if plain and simple english is inadequate stupidicus Dec 2015 #28

the DLC was partially funded by the Koch brothers ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #33

The "center" is what the OP was all abiout Armstead Dec 2015 #85

People want change. If the Republican nominee promises change and our nominee promises status quo, Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #11

Yep, and I'm over and done with letting the Rightwingers own Populism demwing Dec 2015 #18

Exactly! Rightwing populism beats centrist establishment corporatism but loses to real progressive Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #30

precisely, and this is why Hillary is a risky candidate demwing Dec 2015 #32

This was obvious at work with Rubio's comments on H-1B in the Republican debate... cascadiance Dec 2015 #64

And yet... reACTIONary Dec 2015 #59

If the nation of voters LWolf Dec 2015 #15

That was exceptionally well said. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #53

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #22

Imagine if the Democrats actually supported policies like this instead of branding itself Feeling the Bern Dec 2015 #23

K & R ! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #25

well, that rightwing/thirdwayer "this is a center/right country!" myth stupidicus Dec 2015 #27

The only kiss those cousins can give is the kiss of death. hedda_foil Dec 2015 #112

Did "Progressive Change Institute" ask the same likely 2016 voters the same or similar questions... George II Dec 2015 #29

Hillary: ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #34

What does that have to do with my post? Did your stuff answer my questions? George II Dec 2015 #45

I'm sorry I didn't make my post clearer- ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #67

You left out several straw men redstateblues Dec 2015 #102

the DLC was partially funded by the Koch Brothers - ish of the hammer Dec 2015 #141

It appears the questions are about policy, not candidates. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #98

Here's the graphic again...look it over.. George II Dec 2015 #99

"Do you support policy X" is not a question involving candidates. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #101

Confused? Me? Not a chance. But that chart doesn't say or ask.... George II Dec 2015 #129

I'm linking to that graphic yurbud Jan 2016 #152

Only in the minds of right wingers PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #31

I was happy to see a right wing troll with bad grammar wial Dec 2015 #37

There are a couple (at least) like that on DU, I wouldn't hide them if you paid me. n/t A Simple Game Dec 2015 #44

The extreme meme! Helen Borg Dec 2015 #43

Yes, but Hillary has an "Aura of competence" Doctor_J Dec 2015 #70

And a lot of people would settle for that, bvf Dec 2015 #90

Huh... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #130

yah, boy, he's some kinda wakko. nilram Dec 2015 #73

He's "too extreme" for the elites who believe they own America deutsey Dec 2015 #79

Looks like America is too extreme for TPTB. nt valerief Dec 2015 #81

Too extreme for the same old same old, not for saving our Democracy from the 1% . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2015 #82

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #83

He's so extreme, there's a media black-out re Bernie so nobody will be hurt by him... polichick Dec 2015 #88

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #89

I'm stealing this to put on my Facebook page davidpdx Dec 2015 #106

knr Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #108

Despite the bs, America is a liberal nation. Let's talk polls: merrily Dec 2015 #113

Iwon der if the people conducting these polls jamzrockz Dec 2015 #114

You obviously are not old enough to remember that we used to have a program of "almost free" college newthinking Dec 2015 #118

I am sure the situation is different now jamzrockz Dec 2015 #123

The sales tax on Wall Street transactions that are sometime thousands per second are supported DhhD Dec 2015 #125

I am not saying we shouldn't implement the jamzrockz Dec 2015 #128

You do know that the collective college debt recently became larger than collective credit card debt cascadiance Jan 2016 #172

They said the same about FDR and his policies SacProgressive Dec 2015 #115

K&R for truth. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #116

K&R We live in the most reality Wall St shareholders will allow. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #120

Unfortunately for us, some on the green side will vote Republican because Vinca Dec 2015 #124

Good post. nt ladjf Dec 2015 #126

No, he's not too extreme for America. He's just not a Democrat and is only one now that he needs... Hekate Jan 2016 #156

Correction. He's one now because we don't have instant runoff voting to avoid the RIGGED system... cascadiance Jan 2016 #173