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In reply to the discussion: This will probably go poorly in gd but I needed to say this [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)46. Chris Hedges: 'I get very angry with the liberal class on the left for their refusal to condemn...
...pornography. Why is it morally indefensible to physically abuse a woman in a sweatshop in the Phillipines or in southern China, but somehow it's an issue of free speech when it's done by the sex industry in the United States...'
From the video posted by redqueen some time back:
It recieved the regular DU treatment. As her sig line at the time said:
"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" - Martin Luther King Jr.
The lack of concern from bleeding hearts spoke to censorship and I was disappointed to see that many must have been afraid to speak out and take the abuse. I didn't expect that thread to go that way at all.
One thread I posted in that forum regarding sexist GOP lawmakers and their outrageous behavior got no outrage. A video on forced marriage was trolled and I was threated with the thread being hidden or I would be banned. My best support came from a man who said it was true, and I looked him up onlline as he is from the Middle East and gave other sources of the video that made the fuss.
So I do not post on these things, and have said why.
From one of my posts on that ill fated thread by redqueen, which from Hedge's point of view, and was about trying to raise consciousness about class war and exploitation:
Liberalism has a blindspot when it comes to pornography. Liberals see it as a freedom issue - adults should be free to watch porn if they want, so long as no-one is harmed in the making of it. Adults should also be free to make porn if they want. Companies should be free to sell porn.
No one wants to oppose pornography, for fear it will make them look Victorian and repressed, like Mary Whitehouse. To oppose porn might be seen as 'weird' - to accept it and giggle at it is normal.
In fact, just about the only male journalist I can think of who has raised any concerns about the massive global pornography industry and its effect on all of us is Chris Hedges, a Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent who has become something of a moral voice in journalism.
In his 2008 book, Empire of Illusion, he asserted that porn is a particularly vicious form of corporate slavery, in which women are commodified, abused and traumatised for the pleasure of male consumers and the multi-billion-dollar profit of corporations.
Although I would NOT call that 'liberalism' or 'progessive' values. Don't forget that Hedges is a Libertarian. But troubled about what many civil libertarians demand as their rights.
Just My Humble Opinion, and data to be reviewed, as I will not be trolled by anyone about this. I won't argue with those who have busy minds but whose empathy is dead.
Thanks for the threads that led me here, I don't bother to comment on this anywhere, and don't plan to be a regular here. Threads that refer to terms like patriarchy cause me to leave immediately. They seem to date the issues.
The issues being raised in these threads are dead at DU, but who knows, someone might listen.
The posts by NYC SKP showed he had read and thought about the larger implications.
EDIT: Since the link to the thread was to a self-deleted thread, I don't know what it was, but the DU response was the same. It's always the same. Thanks for trying. AT.
From the video posted by redqueen some time back:
It recieved the regular DU treatment. As her sig line at the time said:
"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" - Martin Luther King Jr.
The lack of concern from bleeding hearts spoke to censorship and I was disappointed to see that many must have been afraid to speak out and take the abuse. I didn't expect that thread to go that way at all.
One thread I posted in that forum regarding sexist GOP lawmakers and their outrageous behavior got no outrage. A video on forced marriage was trolled and I was threated with the thread being hidden or I would be banned. My best support came from a man who said it was true, and I looked him up onlline as he is from the Middle East and gave other sources of the video that made the fuss.
So I do not post on these things, and have said why.
From one of my posts on that ill fated thread by redqueen, which from Hedge's point of view, and was about trying to raise consciousness about class war and exploitation:
Liberalism has a blindspot when it comes to pornography. Liberals see it as a freedom issue - adults should be free to watch porn if they want, so long as no-one is harmed in the making of it. Adults should also be free to make porn if they want. Companies should be free to sell porn.
No one wants to oppose pornography, for fear it will make them look Victorian and repressed, like Mary Whitehouse. To oppose porn might be seen as 'weird' - to accept it and giggle at it is normal.
In fact, just about the only male journalist I can think of who has raised any concerns about the massive global pornography industry and its effect on all of us is Chris Hedges, a Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent who has become something of a moral voice in journalism.
In his 2008 book, Empire of Illusion, he asserted that porn is a particularly vicious form of corporate slavery, in which women are commodified, abused and traumatised for the pleasure of male consumers and the multi-billion-dollar profit of corporations.
Although I would NOT call that 'liberalism' or 'progessive' values. Don't forget that Hedges is a Libertarian. But troubled about what many civil libertarians demand as their rights.
Just My Humble Opinion, and data to be reviewed, as I will not be trolled by anyone about this. I won't argue with those who have busy minds but whose empathy is dead.
Thanks for the threads that led me here, I don't bother to comment on this anywhere, and don't plan to be a regular here. Threads that refer to terms like patriarchy cause me to leave immediately. They seem to date the issues.
The issues being raised in these threads are dead at DU, but who knows, someone might listen.
The posts by NYC SKP showed he had read and thought about the larger implications.
EDIT: Since the link to the thread was to a self-deleted thread, I don't know what it was, but the DU response was the same. It's always the same. Thanks for trying. AT.
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I don't have a clue, and I dont know that they aren't motivated by their own perversity. nt.
NYC_SKP
Nov 2013
#31
They want SUVs becaus the ads tell them that it's important, vital. Same for makeup and fashion, no
NYC_SKP
Nov 2013
#35
What specifically leads you to this conclusion in this particular instance?
LanternWaste
Nov 2013
#40
Among all the different niche porn selections, if some are absent and others are way overrepresented
NYC_SKP
Nov 2013
#41
this is really my hge problem with the way duers present this. normalizing. the effort put for
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#42
Or the meats distributed by the Chicago Meat Packing industry prior to Upton Sinclair...
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#83
Yep it is definitely amazing especially since I know I have my own personal kinks
Arcanetrance
Nov 2013
#6
Actually I DO have problems with it because of the working conditions of those in it.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#7
i remember when pro porn would stress, must stay out of kids hands, to meh, to they have to learn
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#37
I know erotic porn can exist but like you said they're not interested violence sells
Arcanetrance
Nov 2013
#15
I see it as being like any other large industry under capitalism - corrupt and yes, exploitative.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#16
Niners, mostly. But I root for all Bay Area teams so that includes the Raiders.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#25
I'm sorry it makes me feel dirty as well but it was something I felt I needed to write
Arcanetrance
Nov 2013
#23
you got your say. a lot of people spoke up with you. then you walk away from the thread
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#39
Yeah I just think I need some time away from here people can't seem to separate personal sexual
Arcanetrance
Nov 2013
#44
cause they have allowed porn to tie into their sexuality. if you need it to get off....
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#47
Chris Hedges: 'I get very angry with the liberal class on the left for their refusal to condemn...
freshwest
Nov 2013
#46
Stronger than Hedges. Fearless, and as always, Noam sees the big picture. I predict...
freshwest
Nov 2013
#67
It DOES NOT need attribution. I got wind of it from redqueen. But it's a public video. No need...
freshwest
Nov 2013
#73
Have to have a strong stomach to be on MIRT, I'm sure. I've been asked over the years to manage some
freshwest
Nov 2013
#77
mostly, (I hope) they are playing at being deliberately obtuse; it bodes them well.
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#52
I often keep in mind what I am saying is irrelevant to whom I replied, but for the lurkers
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#56
exactly. that is why it is important to state what you have to say, regardling an OP
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#60