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delrem

(9,688 posts)
35. I don't think the big money right-wing is all that interested in democracy.
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 04:18 PM
Mar 2015

Or has any respect for it.
I don't think the heart/driving-force of big money right-wing is composed of individuals, as in individual voters/actors. I think it's composed of extremely entrenched systems that include employees (in think tanks, the media, in law firms, banks, ...) as well as an ownership investor class. (I'm not denying the existence of horror-shows like the Koch bros.!)

The even mildly socialist-oriented left across the world has found that out the hard way as coup after coup follows mild democratic socialist interventions that run counter to their dictates. The US has been their base of operations, so the US hasn't been their main target except to an extraordinary degree a target for brainwashing the population. For most of my life the US has benefited from that system, it's only recently that the US has become part of their targeted prey.

Even today, the USA has declared Venezuela (a democracy, Bolivarian socialist) a national security threat, and that's the first step in ramping up economic warfare -> a coup. This is under a Dem administration, which has proven to be identical in this respect to Republican admins. Why? Because the Venezuelan people insist on re-electing Bolivarian socialists time after time. There was the coup in Honduras. A coup took out Iran's democracy, when Iran got uppity and retook ownership of their oil. Well, you know all this. I'm mentioning it because *elsewhere* than the USA seems to be fair pickings for democracies (and dicatatorships, monarchies,..., as well) that don't play the big money corporate/war-profiteering game. It's unsustainable, and it death-spirals inward.

At the moment the right wing big money corporate/war-profiteers have it cushy with HRC on one flank, the entire Republican party on the other. HRC isn't alone on their Dem side, not by any means. There are other third-way Dems, think tanks, PACs, institutes,... everything that money can buy. But if a fluke happened and that third-way bulwark is taken out by a progressive populist movement in primaries, I'm not sure I can predict what that big money war-profiteering power structure will do, but I wouldn't underestimate the horror that they're willing to inflict on the masses of people who get in their way. They have no respect for life, or for anything except their own profit. And they have more power and resources now than ever before.

I'm not totally pessimistic. But the US population isn't even close to being as experienced in the ways and means of the right-wing big money as, say, the population of Venezuela, Chile, and the other countries of SA, nor does the US population, in general or in the majority, seem prepared to listen and learn. Even on DU it's a very hard sell, to promote the leftward democratic swing of central/south american politics, and the pushback is unrelenting and is supported by top Dem leaders, to say nothing of Republicans.

I figure it'll be a long slog and I don't underestimate the inhumanity of big money corporate privateers war profiteers.

It is delusional to think Wall Street is going to shovel money at anyone serious about reining in TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #1
Then we can shift aspirant Mar 2015 #3
Mmm Hmm Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #7
Shifting the blame? They detect the stench now which is why some don't bother TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #18
If they aspirant Mar 2015 #23
Willful ignorance, greed, and cognitive dissonance... Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #29
Hmm, interesting perspective Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #5
Surefire business as usual. A safer bet to keep the trains running on time BUT TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #9
It's called covering your bets. delrem Mar 2015 #24
Right. That's why they will support the dems Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #31
Wall Street donated to the Warren Senate campaign, they would probably donate again. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #26
Exactly. That's why it's NOT Hillary or repubs win. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #28
What about other possible candidates who have received Wall Street funds? Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #30
What about them? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #32
I got you, never thought it was the money, just wonder why some dwells on it so much. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #33
Same reason they shriek SCOTUS!!!1!1! Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #34
There is the possibility she could throw her support (and money) KoKo Mar 2015 #2
That is what SHOULD happen! Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #6
Which donors? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #4
Agreed. This could serve as a weeding out process? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #8
None of that matters, how is it not abundantly clear what the score is? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #10
For you and me it's abundantly clear. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #11
I don't think it has to be Hillary Clinton, plenty of Democrats would be acceptable but the ones TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #13
That's the question/point... Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #21
Big money includes heavy duty war profiteers. delrem Mar 2015 #25
At what cost to average Americans? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #27
I don't think the big money right-wing is all that interested in democracy. delrem Mar 2015 #35
WOW! Nail on the head! Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #36
When I describe political reality as I see it, I can be harsh, all right. delrem Mar 2015 #38
+1 we all need to keep talking Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #41
What is your solution aspirant Mar 2015 #12
To refuse to elect them, take "viability" off their ledger. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #14
If we don't elect them, aspirant Mar 2015 #15
How does electing corporatist going to make sure they don't get nominated? TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #19
When Grimes lost aspirant Mar 2015 #22
To interject, like TheKentuckian I don't get it either. delrem Mar 2015 #39
This OP aspirant Mar 2015 #40
I agree, there needs to be balance, wall street is smart enough to hedge bets whereisjustice Mar 2015 #16
Do they hedge their bets between aspirant Mar 2015 #17
That's why the 3rd-Way exists, as a hedge. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #20
There's no one more Third Way than Jebby dflprincess Mar 2015 #37
Yep, that's triangulation. Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #42
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