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NanceGreggs

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33. Why is it so very important to Clinton non-supporters …
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:09 PM
Mar 2015

… that everyone else believe that HRC “cannot win” in the general election? All polls and surveys point to the opposite thus far. So why the insistence that if nominated, she can’t win? I’ve yet to see anyone here state that “nobody else could possibly run and win the Democratic nomination”. But surely you have many links to that being said - right?

So many threads are the same, basically: “She thinks she’s ‘entitled’, she thinks it’s ‘her turn’.” Does anyone have any links to actual quotes from Hill expressing those ideas? No, of course not. Some here feel perfectly comfortable attributing thoughts and ideas to someone who has never expressed them, so long as it serves their purpose.

It is perfectly understandable that there are those who don’t want Hill to be the nominee. What flies in the face of the “logic” of many of them, however, is the notion that consistently tearing down a very popular potential nominee will somehow pave the way for their chosen candidate – a candidate they’ve yet to identify at this juncture.

The “anyone but Hillary” crowd – well, the name speaks for itself. “I know I don’t want Hillary – but don’t ask me WHO I want, because I don’t know.” Well, when they DO know, maybe they’ll be able to express exactly why their choice is better than Hill. Until that momentous occasion arises, I suppose we’re all supposed to sit on the sidelines and wait for them to make up their minds.

No one here has stated that HRC is “inevitable”. That meme was promoted by the MSM back in 2008, and has been resurrected out of the sheer laziness that our present-day so-called "journalists" have become famous for. It’s surprising to see how many DUers, who consistently boast of not being influenced by the useless mainstream media, have adopted that claim as being factual in respect of Hill, or in respect of the Party as a whole.

This site has been replete with posts about “coronations” and dispensing with a primary. Where does this shit come from? Who said anything about skipping the primaries and handing the nomination to “the anointed one”? No one, that’s who. And yet that bullshit is repeated here constantly as though it were fact.

“Her name is Hillary, candidate of candidates: Look on her works, ye Proles, and despair!” Has anyone here actually said that, or anything remotely like it? Of course not. But let’s pretend that such statements have been made, and go from there – because facts should never interfere with an OP that rallies the gullible, who will literally swallow anything.

The facts are the facts. HRC polls better against all GOP contenders. Reiterating that FACT does not equate to “no others need apply”; it does it mean that another potential candidate is precluded from running. Nor does it mean that another potential candidate couldn’t surpass Hill’s current numbers against all Republican wannabes, and emerge as an even more viable candidate against the opposition.

But until that happens, the incessant whining from the “anyone but Hillary” contingent is pointless. If they have someone who has the potential to win in 2016, let’s hear about him/her. If they have someone who polls better against the opposition, we’re all ears. But thus far, they don’t. And “watch this space, which will eventually be filled by the perfect Dem candidate” really doesn’t cut it.

It’s amusing to watch all of the same people who have for years berated the Republicans for campaigning only on what’s wrong with the (D) contenders, instead of focusing on the positives of their own candidates, now adopting that same strategy. “Here’s why you shouldn’t support HRC” is a poor substitution for why we should support “to be announced – eventually – as soon as we get our shit together”.

HRC’s run in 2016 was predicted – and fully expected – within minutes of her concession speech in 2008 acknowledging that Obama was the choice of the people. The fact that it is only NOW that her detractors are scurrying to find someone else – anyone else – to challenge her at what is, in political terms, “the last minute” speaks for itself.

But by all means, please continue to insist that HRC supporters have stated that "no one else could possibly run and win the Democratic nomination" - because we wouldn't want actual facts to interfere with your fact-free proclamations.

Because it's true. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #1
Cause they're nervous about so many people wishing there were someone else? TDale313 Mar 2015 #2
Amen..... daleanime Mar 2015 #4
Surprisingly, their rationale is similar to our history of military invasions under false pretexts RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #24
You give them too much credit. Most are living in a small reality bubble of denial. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #37
Bingo! Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. n/t 2banon Apr 2015 #41
The oligarchy is loved. L0oniX Mar 2015 #3
I think that is true. The authoritarian followers look to a leader that rhett o rick Mar 2015 #38
The answer is as easy as ABC awake Mar 2015 #5
Reverse Psychology aspirant Mar 2015 #6
They want her to nail down the nomination before too many ugly facts come out tularetom Mar 2015 #7
Because they don't want any other Dem to win when they believe it is 'her time'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #8
Because letting Wall Street choose candidates is ultimate goal of the real ratfuckers whereisjustice Mar 2015 #9
+1 3rd=Way baybeeee Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #10
+1 GoneFishin Mar 2015 #13
That's exactly what it means when they hinge support on "fundraising." Scootaloo Mar 2015 #21
No they want the "corporate bidding" to be over they have bought their candidate and we should STFU Vincardog Mar 2015 #25
Nailed it! L0oniX Mar 2015 #40
And Wall Street has no intentions of letting the loonies near the White House RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #26
Hillary is good cop, Cruz is bad cop. It's all a game to play each side against the middle class whereisjustice Mar 2015 #27
Smart cop / dumb cop show ...entertainment for the oligarchy. L0oniX Mar 2015 #39
Look on her works, ye Proles, and despair!... Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #11
They'll need someone to blame if she loses in 2016 nxylas Mar 2015 #12
... 840high Mar 2015 #15
Her record as a progressive is indefensible. They must push the "inevitability" or the "lesser of GoneFishin Mar 2015 #14
The General Election Martin Eden Mar 2015 #16
coronations can't have any legitimate heirs running around MisterP Mar 2015 #17
Because without that narrative, she is as viable as pond scum Android3.14 Mar 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #19
I had an extended disagreement with one of my good friends on Friday. Maedhros Mar 2015 #20
I have no idea Kalidurga Mar 2015 #22
I keep wondering why there's no Discussion of Bill's Role in Hillary Administration... KoKo Mar 2015 #23
+1 Very good post and spot on! History repeats itself. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #28
Here's a peek at what's going on behind the scenes Oilwellian Apr 2015 #45
Sooo revealing. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #46
Because they leaned the lesson of 2008 well. Try to kill any upstart campain kelly1mm Mar 2015 #29
good point whereisjustice Mar 2015 #30
It's just another version of the "A Liberal (or Progressive) Can't Win a National Election" song dflprincess Mar 2015 #31
I was just told Dragonfli Mar 2015 #32
Excellent response, but the Royalists Loyalists HRC Supporters likely have chosen to "ignore" so 2banon Apr 2015 #42
Why is it so very important to Clinton non-supporters … NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #33
Speaking as a Non-Supporter, I don't take that view at all. 2banon Apr 2015 #43
I don't think that she cannot win. Anyone who is expecting to raise Two and a half BILLION Dollars sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #47
Manny, I guess you missed this one... antigop Mar 2015 #34
I did. Thanks for pointing it out! nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #35
I missed it the first time too. H2O Man nails it again... 2banon Apr 2015 #44
It's kind of mind blowing marym625 Mar 2015 #36
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