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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
41. As on many occasions I disagree with you on what there is to be seen
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:58 AM
Apr 2015

I really do see the opposite. I am only guessing, but perhaps the difference in perception is based on my sincere belief that populist reform involves actively attempting to remove anti-populist conservative ideology that harms the less than wealthy while enriching the very wealthy from our party.

We seek to reform the party, return it to liberal ideology in both fiscal as well as social issues. The good news is that little reform is necessary regarding regressive conservatism within the party as it pertains to social issues, even the Reagan conservatives in the party that prefer damaging supply side economics and neoliberal trade policies (that have caused great harm to the working and lower classes while weakening severely the middle classes) tend to still conform to liberal social positions, although there are exceptions to that and work still should be done in that area as needed.

Once in a reply to you I said that there are politicians that would have us choose between social justice and economic justice and that such politicians are not our friends, that social and economic justice go hand in hand and are intertwined, I believe that to be the truth.

Because of this, I would if I could replace such right economic social liberals (once described as moderate Republicans) that would have us choose with politicians that fight for both types of justice. I believe you see this desire as an attack on the party and on politicians that you, for whatever reason, believe are not as they are. They are real and they are known to any with eyes to see the policies they prefer and fight for.

You could easily understand my thoughts on this and the nature of the enemy within the party that I feel must somehow be replaced (part of replacing them is letting them and other party members know that right wing thinking is unacceptable to many within the party, or what many of your friends call bashing, or hating).

Now you can choose to ignore my sincere attempt here to explain my position and why I see differently than you, or you can read an OP I wrote that explains as best as I can (I am no writer and struggle with OPs) this element within the party and their very deliberate attempt to bring in right wing financial policies as a well financed new branch of the party that literally asks us to choose between social and economic justice HERE

I hope you at least read it to better understand us, even if you do not agree that we should not have to choose

It sounds like you depress the hell out of yourself. Go take an upper. RBInMaine Apr 2015 #1
Well that was a "brilliant" response. creative too. 2banon Apr 2015 #4
if you have nothing nice to say demwing Apr 2015 #16
Yeah, I hear ya. She's toast. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #2
Is that really your take on my question? 2banon Apr 2015 #6
Kind of a GD reply, wasn't it? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8
Yeah, typical GD response. 2banon Apr 2015 #14
Nope, just piling on TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #9
oh, that explains it. thanks. 2banon Apr 2015 #17
what do you expect? bowens43 Apr 2015 #3
I did expect some reasonable effort to knock it out the park on the initial announcement 2banon Apr 2015 #5
Perhaps it would have been better if she had just been discovered... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #21
Bingo! 2banon Apr 2015 #32
...^ that 840high Apr 2015 #15
thank you 840high.. 2banon Apr 2015 #25
Logo and ad, more the ad however, are both telling. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #7
Man, that's reading a lot into that logo. Daemonaquila Apr 2015 #10
I disagree. It is very directional. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #11
Worse yet, it looks rather like male organ envy Demeter Apr 2015 #24
I was pointing out all that is lacking in the campaign logos to an associate today using the Obama R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #34
...Yours must be a little different from mine Scootaloo Apr 2015 #40
She doesn't get that being our "champion" is not a passive activity. 2banon Apr 2015 #12
It's the Martha Coakley campaign all over again. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #13
I guess I'll have to google that name.. 2banon Apr 2015 #18
Massachusetts Gubenatorial Democratic candidate. She lost to Charlie Baker (R). R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #22
I see.. that's telling.. 2banon Apr 2015 #28
You want to be our champion, Hillary? demwing Apr 2015 #19
I'm really concerned That the blind will anoint her Queen since she has one eye. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #23
Everyday Americans are not as financially well off as those in the dreamworld she created Dragonfli Apr 2015 #20
agree completely! 2banon Apr 2015 #29
How many logo threads do we have to have today? leftofcool Apr 2015 #26
Didn't see another one in THIS group. I'm not reading GD. 2banon Apr 2015 #30
Oh, many... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #36
Aweful? Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #27
Wrong Group Dude. 2banon Apr 2015 #31
No ... Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #33
look again. 2banon Apr 2015 #35
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #37
No, It is Pro Populist reform Dragonfli Apr 2015 #38
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #39
As on many occasions I disagree with you on what there is to be seen Dragonfli Apr 2015 #41
The people in that video did not need a champion. The people who cannot djean111 Apr 2015 #42
Agreed, going by that video, the people that need a champion don't even exist Dragonfli Apr 2015 #43
Good point. Your comments remind me of HRC's 2008 campaign appearance in Mississippi and Alabama 2banon Apr 2015 #44
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