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sabrina 1

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22. I remember when Chafee voted against that awful war authorization. He was brutally attacked by his
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 01:32 AM
Apr 2015

own party airc. That I think, is when he decided to leave that party. I also remember wondering why ANY DEMOCRAT could possibly give ANYTHING to Bush/Cheney who were clearly lying.

And I admired Chafee for his courage, because it took far more courage for a Republican to oppose his own rabidly war supporting party at that time than it would have for Democrats.

I think the Dems who voted for the AUMF did so for one of two reasons, or for both, one, they AGREED with Bush/Cheney's neocon Foreign Policies, OR they misread the Left. The looked at polls after 9/11 and saw the support for Bush and mistook it for political and personal support, when in fact it was for the country. And those who had political ambitions, the WH eg, thought, wrongly, that it would help them.

When that support for Bush from some on the Left began to crumble after they realized he was taking advantage of a great tragedy, those who voted for the war, many with Presidential aspirations, realize they had made a mistake.

Politically it sure was a mistake, as those who wanted to run for the WH as Dems realized pretty quickly when they found themselves faced with so much anger from Dem voters. Most rushed to apologize for it.

In Hillary's case I think she supported the neocons FP, which she proved as SOS. And she probably thought it would benefit her when she ran for president. Instead it probably lost her the presidency in 2008, once voters had a candidate who had opposed it.

This time she seems to realize what a disaster that vote was for her politically, and she has finally, way too late, apologized. It took a dozen years so it doesn't sound very convincing to me, just politically expedient. Not buying it at all.

K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #1
I enjoyed listening to Chafee when he was in the Senate. napi21 Apr 2015 #2
Difference is all the Democratic candidates admit it was a mistake still_one Apr 2015 #3
Dead people couldn't hear them admitting their mistake. merrily Apr 2015 #42
Vote for whoever you want, that is your right still_one Apr 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #45
This Liberal Democrat Will Happily Support Hillary Indykatie Apr 2015 #4
A post perhaps better suited to GD or the Hillary Group. merrily Apr 2015 #25
Well, what's a few hundred thousand dead Arabs, right? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #29
If she admits it's a mistake aspirant Apr 2015 #5
She will have a finger on the big red nuke button. Any room for mistakes? L0oniX Apr 2015 #13
I cannot imagine a single member of the military or their loved ones voting for her after she said merrily Apr 2015 #47
Why are you hostile to Chafee? I welcome him to the Democratic Party. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #6
We need a vibrant two party system. With the conservatives moving into our party rhett o rick Apr 2015 #12
It's too simplistic to label Chafee a conservative just because he grew up as a Republican. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #14
I agree I should be careful generalizing, but I doubt Chaffee is a liberal. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #18
His record poses an issue also raised by Hillary's: the politician who has changed over time. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #19
Members of other groups don't have to keep defending the OPs they post in their group. merrily Apr 2015 #26
"A discrepancy between Senate votes and current positions is also an issue for Clinton." rhett o rick Apr 2015 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #46
Mixed reaction. merrily Apr 2015 #43
Their actual motives was they couldn't get re-elected dog catchers.. Historic NY Apr 2015 #51
What a joke, no one who voted for w bush should be president either. BillZBubb Apr 2015 #7
Bullshit. It's a matter of qualifications. She doesn't have them. Neither do many. The problem is whereisjustice Apr 2015 #8
She's more qualified than any republican. BillZBubb Apr 2015 #9
This argument needs to die Scootaloo Apr 2015 #30
save it for the general. The primary hasn't begun yet. merrily Apr 2015 #31
How is holding her accountable for her part in the decision to start a war rhett o rick Apr 2015 #11
Please see Reply 26. merrily Apr 2015 #27
I don't think any Republican running for President voted for the war yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #52
Competition Khaotic Apr 2015 #10
Eventually these groups are going to be forced to block the Hillary worshippers. They want us banned L0oniX Apr 2015 #15
What I find interesting is that it's obvious that the Democratic Party has a ever widening rhett o rick Apr 2015 #16
Yeah and the reframing of Hillary being the liberal progressive populist is making me sick. L0oniX Apr 2015 #17
Some believe if one is progressive on one or two issues, then they are progressive. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #20
I agree with what Loonix posted about groups and then some. merrily Apr 2015 #32
I agree also. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #33
Wow, Chafee said that? Good for him, I could not agree more. Anyone with such bad judgement sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #21
Yet, she said she would not have gone to war if she had been President in 2002. merrily Apr 2015 #48
I remember when Chafee voted against that awful war authorization. He was brutally attacked by his sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #22
Please remember, the DLC endorsed that war and the founder of the Progressive Policy Institute, who merrily Apr 2015 #49
Did you vote for Kerry? nt Andy823 Apr 2015 #23
Now why would you want to know that? I will answer if you tell me how you forgive those rhett o rick Apr 2015 #24
It's a pretty simple question Andy823 Apr 2015 #34
We knew Bush was lying, why didn't Hillary? She is asking for the job of POTUS. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #50
The hosting in here seems rather lax. I thought this was a Autumn Apr 2015 #59
True, sick to death of that kind of 'dialogue' which hopefully won't be allowed in this forum where sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #60
Please see Replies 25 and 26. merrily Apr 2015 #28
Why would this be better on the Hillary board? Andy823 Apr 2015 #35
GD or Hillary GROUP, not Hillary board merrily Apr 2015 #37
All I did Andy823 Apr 2015 #38
Why are you repeating a comment I've already responded to? merrily Apr 2015 #39
Sorry but Andy823 Apr 2015 #40
I replied at least twice. Take your Hillary campaigning to GD or the Hillary Group. merrily Apr 2015 #41
is chafee a populist? gwheezie Apr 2015 #53
Now that you've checked his record, what is your opinion as to whether he is a populist? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #55
oops my reply is below nt gwheezie Apr 2015 #57
Ms. Clinton's war vote definitely killed her previous bid for President. ladjf Apr 2015 #54
sadly I think her Iraq vote won't matter gwheezie Apr 2015 #56
sorry I was replying to rhett nt gwheezie Apr 2015 #58
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