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Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:23 AM Apr 2015

"Another Wall Street Dem is running for pres.Once again we must choose btn acquiescence & rebellion" [View all]

This is written by Bill Curry. He was White House counselor to President Clinton and a two-time Democratic nominee for governor of Connecticut. He is at work on a book on President Obama and the politics of populism.

I'm posting here the last part of his piece & leaving out the painful look at HRC's sad roll-out as our nominee. He makes some excellent points below & its really good to see further proof we are NOT alone in our deep desire to see a better path for our party, & for our country..

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My differences with Clinton are entirely substantive. Today’s issues may not divide as deeply as those of 1968 but they’re just as important. Because Clinton’s history on them is problematic, real debate is indispensable. Let me sketch out four overarching issues.

The Economy
: The great dispute between Democratic elites and the Democratic base is over the economy. For years the elites have cheered globalization. Like Tom Friedman they see it as a ‘golden straightjacket’; a thing we can’t escape but wouldn’t want to as it will soon answer all our prayers. They view unfettered growth, trade and markets and nearly all technology as benign. Most of us see that a rising tide no longer lifts all boats, or most boats, or hardly any boats at all. Not them. We see how our tools no longer seem to need us. We seek a more permanent and humane economy rooted in enterprises of smaller scale. They say fine but see no conflict between their agenda and ours. The next big fight in this war is the battle over the Trans Pacific Trade agreement. The Democratic base along with just about the entire middle class opposes it in its present form. The next leader of the Democratic Party should be on the same side as the base and the middle class.

The Government: How can 60 percent of the country agree with Democrats on taxes, Social Security, Medicare, same sex marriage, gun safety, every last plank of the President’s immigration plan, the Cuban embargo, the Iran nuclear weapons deal and the truth about global warming and still vote Republican? The answer may be their identification of Democrats as the party of a government they despise. They care about frugality but what they hate most is corruption. All across the world public anger over corruption now drives politics. Our politicians hardly mention it but our people care as much about it as anyone. The big problem isn’t the petty bribes. It’s what Anthony Kennedy foolishly calls ‘soft corruption.’ Suffice it to say the Clinton record on it is spotty. The Democrats’ next leader must have a credible plan to curb public corruption. It won’t happen without robust debate.

National Security: Here the public’s views are less settled. There’s an uptick in fear due to ISIS and Republicans do all they can to fan its flames. It isn’t enough to be for peace or against military interventions. We need to show people why our old military doctrines are defunct and that we have a better way to keep them safe. There may have been a time when America had to be the world’s policeman. God knows it needs one and for many years nobody else could afford to take the job. No more. It’s time to stop shooting our way into places we don’t belong. We can go on paying the price and taking all the blowback or we can fix the UN and honor the rule of law. I don’t think Clinton grasps the argument. In 2008 she ran as Xena, the Warrior Princess. In four years as Secretary of State she was Obama’s resident hawk. For all her travels she has yet to wake up to the world we now live in.

Climate Change: Every Democrat has grown more attuned to climate change and Hillary’s no exception. Obama’s second term has been a vast improvement on his first. Any Democrat will continue the forward movement just as any Republican may wind up putting our species out of business. The question here isn’t about whether Hillary wants to do the right thing it is whether anyone will do enough. If nearly all our scientists are right it is the overarching political and moral issue of our age. It isn’t enough just to beat the Republicans or improve on the past. We need to solve the problem. Anyone who knows anything about the issue knows this: we’re running out of time.

Democrats can no longer pretend these differences don’t exist. If they insist on doing so, progressives can’t let them.

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/19/my_party_fears_a_debate_this_same_nervous_centrism_created_the_tea_party/

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I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC - The 1% Manchurian Candidate cantbeserious Apr 2015 #1
+10000 JDPriestly Apr 2015 #82
+ swilton Apr 2015 #109
Thank you! YES! CoffeeCat Apr 2015 #114
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! HRC should read this article. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #2
So true! RiverLover Apr 2015 #3
I doubt the HRC personality cult will ever understand nxylas Apr 2015 #6
+1 Well said. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #10
Good plan! Insult everyone who doesn't agree with you! brooklynite Apr 2015 #11
Offensive and completely wrong. Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #29
If you don't want to be offended, you're better off staying out of Populist Reform nxylas Apr 2015 #32
+1 RiverLover Apr 2015 #33
disappointed Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #38
That cuts both ways nxylas Apr 2015 #75
Evergreen Emerald, I did not realize I was in HRC's forum, posted one comment & was banned peacebird Apr 2015 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #59
!!!! RiverLover Apr 2015 #61
I Completely Agree With You AND... ChiciB1 Apr 2015 #66
Yep, me too. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #105
I'm a woman... CoffeeCat Apr 2015 #115
Quite nxylas Apr 2015 #120
K & R! nt m-lekktor Apr 2015 #4
Important article MissDeeds Apr 2015 #5
President Hillary Clinton! Laser102 Apr 2015 #7
^^^This is what conservatives do when they don't have a valid response to truth. RiverLover Apr 2015 #9
There is not a grain of truth about Clinton in the OP MaggieD Apr 2015 #68
No kidding! workinclasszero Apr 2015 #71
IOW, you do know you are in the Populist Group and you are deliberating violating its merrily Apr 2015 #125
Anti-hils aren't the ones backing a conservative. Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #86
If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck MaggieD Apr 2015 #88
You're saying if we oppose her from the left dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #118
It is no different MaggieD Apr 2015 #119
I completely disagree dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #121
Been doing it for years MaggieD Apr 2015 #122
I was asking how you are doing so with your posts in this forum dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #123
Hi, what would you think of a "do not feed those who troll this group" policy? merrily Apr 2015 #126
Hi... dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #132
I get it, dreamnightwind. merrily Apr 2015 #133
Well you're sporting a sticker... MaggieD Apr 2015 #130
You may not be aware of the reality there is a major DRAFT effort to convince Warren RiverLover Apr 2015 #135
She certainly participated in it - ENTHUSIASTICALLY. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #78
I am so embarassed for you. How sad. Clinton is a tool of the Olgarchy and you think your rhett o rick Apr 2015 #117
K&R. zeemike Apr 2015 #8
I wouldn't worry about Hilliary's policies as president RedstDem Apr 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #14
sarcasm tag needed :) RiverLover Apr 2015 #15
Thanks, RiverLover. On second thought, I'll just delete. merrily Apr 2015 #18
Traveling around in a vehicle, asking people questions, reminds me of how Scott Brown merrily Apr 2015 #13
But never ever forget all the good luck those truedelphi Apr 2015 #127
You bad. merrily Apr 2015 #128
I keep hoping that some ambitious group of young environmentalists gets on "Shark Tank" truedelphi Apr 2015 #139
Same thing Kathie Lee Gifford said about little kids in sweat shops. merrily Apr 2015 #140
Absolutely bullshit on government ... Cosmocat Apr 2015 #16
Unless you want Hillary to be the nominee, don't wait for someone else to rise to merrily Apr 2015 #19
FINE Cosmocat Apr 2015 #41
I did and I am and I will. merrily Apr 2015 #43
I said I would get behind someone who was better Cosmocat Apr 2015 #45
He said he will come in if he sees the support. So, merrily Apr 2015 #46
well Cosmocat Apr 2015 #49
Again, this is the Populist Group. You don't get to berate us for criticizing Hillary merrily Apr 2015 #50
That is exactly right. Organizing and grass roots support are necessary if folks still_one Apr 2015 #55
Thanks. As far as I am concerned, though, she's one of several hopefuls. merrily Apr 2015 #56
I agree. I also think that support needs to start as soon still_one Apr 2015 #58
I made up my mind Friday afternoon and I've already done several things. merrily Apr 2015 #62
I hope we do have a true primary where I/we can fight for someone else. RiverLover Apr 2015 #20
Have you done anything to urge Sanders to run? He says he will run if he sees support. merrily Apr 2015 #21
I get his updates & sign all of his petitions & have been on 2 of his conference calls with MoveOn RiverLover Apr 2015 #23
As I said, I will reassess if and when she gets in the race. I just want to do all I can merrily Apr 2015 #27
Me too. exactly. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #31
Yeah, pretty much. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #35
the article is hyperbolic bullshit Cosmocat Apr 2015 #37
In this group, you don't get to compare us to Republicans. merrily Apr 2015 #48
Even if "this group" is saying the same things they are? Cosmocat Apr 2015 #52
YES. Even if you don't like what is being said. In this group, it's your kind of merrily Apr 2015 #53
I disagree.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #84
Then you misapprehend the rules of this board in general, as well as the purpose of "safe haven" merrily Apr 2015 #124
Thanks for your recommendations - I'll pass MaggieD Apr 2015 #129
You're welcome, but you'll pass on what? merrily Apr 2015 #131
Happy trails. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #134
Actually, special DU groups offer certain sanctuary for promoting still_one Apr 2015 #57
Thank you. /nt RiverLover Apr 2015 #60
the exact opposite is true Rilgin Apr 2015 #116
I thought the BOG and the HRC fans were standing with the republicans on TPP Doctor_J Apr 2015 #63
Exactly. RiverLover Apr 2015 #64
Where is your evidence for that? MaggieD Apr 2015 #85
It sure is!! MaggieD Apr 2015 #70
Wow...the one sensible post...thank you Cosmocat Perseus Apr 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Apr 2015 #30
Meh, I think the beer thing is over and I would never have one with Hillary merrily Apr 2015 #39
I agree with you ...the 1% has chosen Hillary and no one else has enough money to rise above her. L0oniX Apr 2015 #36
The 1% casts 1% of the vote Cosmocat Apr 2015 #40
Right ...and all those tv campaign ads paid for by the 1% have no affect. L0oniX Apr 2015 #44
Not the cause and effect Cosmocat Apr 2015 #47
When 100% of the messengers say the same thing, people figure it must be true. ieoeja Apr 2015 #76
End of the day, it is the stupid Cosmocat Apr 2015 #90
oh, and democrats most assuredly are useless Cosmocat Apr 2015 #93
Marketing and group psychology elect our leaders.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #79
Yes, because people WANT to believe the bullshit Cosmocat Apr 2015 #91
We don't educate our children to think for themselves, we simply educate them to regurgitate Maedhros Apr 2015 #102
Exactly! MaggieD Apr 2015 #69
Being a little bit corrupt is still corrupt. jeff47 Apr 2015 #74
I can count on one hand the non status quo democrats in congress Cosmocat Apr 2015 #96
Your solution is to accept the status quo. jeff47 Apr 2015 #110
You missed the point by a pretty wide margin Cosmocat Apr 2015 #136
Not at all. Your claim is politics is dominated by status quo candidates jeff47 Apr 2015 #137
Yeah, missed by a wide margin Cosmocat Apr 2015 #138
He nailed my thought and fears about Hillary. Autumn Apr 2015 #17
Some cheap shots, in my opinion Perseus Apr 2015 #22
Thanks Perseus. Good points. RiverLover Apr 2015 #25
Mr Curry--if he does not think Hillary is good enough asjr Apr 2015 #24
Save it for the Hillary Group or GD. Thanks. merrily Apr 2015 #51
The amount of whining over writers who criticize Hillary is comical. Maedhros Apr 2015 #80
H 2016! Gamecock Lefty Apr 2015 #28
Your kind of post is out of place in this group. Please save it for GD or the merrily Apr 2015 #54
When a candidate is bad, there tend to be articles about how they are bad. Maedhros Apr 2015 #81
When does the rebellion start? JoePhilly Apr 2015 #34
Completely spot on. Have to support this 100% on point Apr 2015 #42
DURec. bvar22 Apr 2015 #65
There is not a single quote here.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #67
Exactly which policy positions are those? Rilgin Apr 2015 #77
Really? You're just helpless to find those? Really? MaggieD Apr 2015 #83
Again, Statements are not policy Rilgin Apr 2015 #89
So by that measure.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #92
Once more Rilgin Apr 2015 #104
His "opinion" has been wrong consistently MaggieD Apr 2015 #107
Ok We came down to it Rilgin Apr 2015 #111
As far as climate change, we have Dems claiming they LOVE to burn coal. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #72
Recommend whole read...and he makes important points about the "Issues" we should discuss. KoKo Apr 2015 #73
Bill Curry couldn't win as a Democrat in CONNECTICUT MaggieD Apr 2015 #87
What do you think "turned off" Dem Voters about him? KoKo Apr 2015 #94
I can't speak for others.... MaggieD Apr 2015 #95
Thanks... But, I still think he makes some great points....Although KoKo Apr 2015 #99
He doesn't back up a single thing MaggieD Apr 2015 #101
Still "dead broke." blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #97
URL: http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/1204060-clinton-viral-hmed-945a.grid- blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #98
Can't get your link to work..do you have a better one? KoKo Apr 2015 #100
You don't know they left the WH millons in debt? MaggieD Apr 2015 #108
Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #106
K & R !!! Thespian2 Apr 2015 #112
when we are 1 supreme away from turning the rightward slide since REAGAN. THE ONLY THING THAT pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #113
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