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Hortensis

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25. Fwiw, universal healthcare is in the mainstream, has been for
Sun May 26, 2019, 02:52 PM
May 2019

several decades. Powerful anti-tax conservative groups, empowered by the half the electorate that tends to be loyally conservative, had always been able to block comprehensive healthcare reform, even though several presidents, including Nixon and Eisenhower supported it. Until the Obama administration, when they finally lost most of the battle but were able to block the ACA's public option provision.

You know, the argument being pushed by the farther left that the choice is between either "big change" of their choice or "centrist" hardly any change is false -- completely untrue -- and deliberately so.

It's entirely possible to have big, bold solutions accomplished by Democratic legislators through existing systems -- the evil establishment. BUT only when the electorate gives legislators eager to do it enough power.

This is exactly how the giant re-deal of the New Deal programs came about. Socialist, communist and fascist extremists were all demanding revolution in the 1930s, a similarly dangerously unstable era that hurt the middle class into supporting very big actions a majority didn't before. The New Deal accomplished changes and advances that were huge but developed within America's existing systems and thus very quickly integrated into the fabric of America. Then came the Fair Deal, Great Society, etc., and eventually the ACA. And because of the ACA's unavoidably "incremental" advance, not just Democrats but Americans across the political spectrum now want more, want the rest, want what's still needed.

Here's Eisenhower, who had relatives ruined by health problems, speaking against the socialized healthcare Sanders types were pushing for at that time but for a moderate way to provide much needed universal healthcare:

“Legislation which compels you to join in a federal health insurance plan is wrong. It is also wrong—morally and economically wrong—to ignore the health problems of those who cannot pay the cost of adequate medical care. Federal aid to local health plans that helps make medical care available to those who need it is right.”


Of course, back in his day most sick people still died much sooner no matter how available the healthcare of that time was. I doubt he'd think that would be an adequate solution today, when lifelong health maintenance is needed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Donald Trump is a racist pig just like the far right ! stonecutter357 May 2019 #1
We should all vote like our lives depend on it, abqtommy May 2019 #2
The blue wave elected people who represented the majorities Hortensis May 2019 #3
Yes, some people think Trump is far right because it's LuvNewcastle May 2019 #8
Yes. He learned long ago by positive feedback where to Hortensis May 2019 #10
A majority of people Turin_C3PO May 2019 #24
Fwiw, universal healthcare is in the mainstream, has been for Hortensis May 2019 #25
2018 midterms Vidal May 2019 #4
Exactly.. what I said down thread.. Cha May 2019 #14
it is good to see the world from a deplorables perspective rampartc May 2019 #5
i agree. barbtries May 2019 #6
Policies matter but so do temperment and search for the truth. lark May 2019 #7
There's nothing so dangerous as a young, ignorant social studies teacher. Really. Efilroft Sul May 2019 #9
To paraphrase, if the far right think you're far right... nolabear May 2019 #11
Interesting discussion. Laelth May 2019 #12
I call BULL! trump is the Anti-Christ.. Cha May 2019 #13
By moderates eh? progressoid May 2019 #17
Yes, the majority of those who Cha May 2019 #19
Cool. I see you're gone from 45 seats flipped by moderates, progressoid May 2019 #21
I see you're deflecting from what I Cha May 2019 #27
He's right though. My deplorable co-worker told me a year ago that he is afraid of a Biden run. n UniteFightBack May 2019 #15
I will not vote out of fear. earthshine May 2019 #16
I will vote for whomever is most likely to defeat Trump, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #26
So, fear is one of your values? earthshine May 2019 #29
Where did I say I was supporting Biden? I'm still undecided, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #30
I pretty much agree with your paragraph. earthshine May 2019 #31
Trump is far right. Right and left have had shifting meanings through American history andym May 2019 #18
Thank You! If this isn't Cha May 2019 #20
Yes. Trump has highlighted the roadmap for a far right fascist to destroy the American Repubic andym May 2019 #22
Agree! Except that from what I've read the increase in Hortensis May 2019 #32
Donald Trump has no ideology. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #23
Basically agree. Any "ideology" would be all about him, Hortensis May 2019 #33
He's a hard-core conservative. TwilightZone May 2019 #28
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