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Garrett78

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12. "Independent" is hardly synonymous with "middle."
Thu Mar 7, 2019, 01:33 AM
Mar 2019

Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2019, 09:40 AM - Edit history (1)

Studies show that the vast majority of so-called independents are highly partisan but simply like calling themselves "independent." Today's "independents" are, on average, more in favor of one party over the other than were strong partisans in the 1970s. And an "independent" who leans Democratic is more likely to vote Democratic than a weak Democrat. Independents are, however, slightly less reliable voters (i.e., they don't turn out as faithfully as party-affiliated voters, which would help explain why you see swings in terms of "independent" support from one election to the next). Numerous articles can be found online regarding the myth of the "independent" voter. I've read several and the points I just made comprise a summary of those articles.

Also a myth, of course, is the notion that white economic anxiety (I guess POC don't experience economic anxiety) is what drove support for Trump.

The idea that we must nominate a moderate or centrist or white male or someone who bashes identity politics is deeply flawed. We need to focus on turning out our base. There will inevitably be those who voted for Trump or didn't vote at all in 2016 who will vote Dem in 2020 (they've become disenchanted or were blinded by hatred for Clinton or didn't think they needed to bother voting or they voted 3rd party or whatever). Simply nominating someone who contrasts sharply with Trump and doesn't carry a lot of baggage will get those folks to vote for our nominee. It would be foolish to run a campaign or choose a nominee centered around flipping Trump voters. Again, turning out the base is key. Increasing POC and youth turnout (as compared to 2016) is what will rule the day. Personally, I think a Harris-O'Rourke ticket is our best bet.

Charisma and youthfulness are much more important than we'd like to think. Our last 5 Democratic presidents averaged 48 years of age upon taking office.

Regarding the much talked about trio of states (PA, MI and WI), let's understand that many factors were at play in 2016 that simply won't be at play in 2020 (not the least of which is the fact that both candidates were historically unpopular with net approval ratings well below zero). We dominated those 3 states from 1992 through 2012, and made gains in those states in 2018. I'm fairly confident we'll win all 3 in 2020...and force Republicans to spend a lot of resources on defending NC, FL, AZ and GA.

There are numerous party insiders who disagree with what many around here take to be conventional wisdom. Read this: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/campaigns/article226007090.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
I love Kamala, but I have no qualms about the strength Joe could bring leading the ticket. bearsfootball516 Mar 2019 #1
I agree with the basic premise, but think Biden/Booker is an even stronger ticket for the win. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #2
Meh...also by Democratic and repug votes. We just have to keep... brush Mar 2019 #3
...which primarily involved winning with moderate candidates in swing districts. brooklynite Mar 2019 #4
Like here in CA where 5 great liberal newcomers swept the GOP out of the House in Orange County. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #5
and whichever side is more energized to have higher turnout IronLionZion Mar 2019 #17
Faulty premise- not all independents are "swing voters" or moderates Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #6
I never said "all". But a vast majority are, otherwise... louis c Mar 2019 #7
That's only a swing of 18 points Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #9
That 18 points is life or death in politics. And those are the voters that decide elections... louis c Mar 2019 #13
And if you focus on appealing, or at least not offending/alarming the 18% swing voters Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #15
Oh, I agree. If the people who don't get everything they want stay home, like they did in 2016... louis c Mar 2019 #18
Perhaps because they preferred the populist aspect of his message to the more incremental pitch JudyM Mar 2019 #27
These middle of the road Independents are closer to status quo voters... louis c Mar 2019 #28
The progressive base needs to do what is right Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #10
So are you saying leftist indies will either vote 3rd party... brush Mar 2019 #29
High voter turnout means Dem victories Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #30
or by an influx of new, younger, more progressive voters bigtree Mar 2019 #8
Actually all elections Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #11
"Independent" is hardly synonymous with "middle." Garrett78 Mar 2019 #12
I agree that 80% of Independents are really committed to one side or the other... louis c Mar 2019 #14
Anyone who voted Trump, has swung wildly in an ideological direction IronLionZion Mar 2019 #16
Texas is key imo. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #19
Beto as VP would be a winner The Mouth Mar 2019 #25
Biden/Harris for the win flamingdem Mar 2019 #20
UNLESS they're counted first. Then it'll be "decided by" Hortensis Mar 2019 #21
For a candidate, we need the one that scares the fewest people. Lucid Dreamer Mar 2019 #22
It seems as though you understand my point louis c Mar 2019 #23
Yes. And we need to keep hammering it. Lucid Dreamer Mar 2019 #24
exactly The Mouth Mar 2019 #26
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