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hedda_foil

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40. The party in the 80s had run out of steam and ideas after 50 years in power.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:49 PM
Jun 2019

They lost the South because of Civil Right laws, making a majority more difficult to achieve. At the same time, they were so used to being the party in charge of both the House and Senate that they became way too comfortable with being a permanent majority and didn't know how to handle becoming the minority.

The problem wasn't being too far left; it was the above plus:

- White working/middle class backlash (to integration of their neighborhoods and busing in the schools) in the North. Here's where a lot of white union members became Reagan Republicans.

- Right wing backlash to the chaos of the 60s and early 70s. This backlash was built on an underlying desire for order and stability.

- The aging of the FDR Democratic electorate. For more than two generations, seniors were reliably Democratic voters. This group, who had lived through the Depression as adults, were in their beginning to die off in the 80s.

- Goldwater actually managed to get 40% of the vote in 1964. I haven't done the stats, but I suspect that the Southern white shift from D to R on top of Goldwater's 40% base easily provided the pukes with a pretty damn stable majority.

- Traditional, moderate Congressional Republicans, particularly -- but not only -- in the Northeast, provided enough reassurance to college educated R's that it was still their party. This group has almost completely moved from R to D or I.

- For all these reason, the only way Dems could win for about 20 years was by running Southern Democratic candidates to hang onto as many Sourthern white votes as possible, while keeping black voters mollified. That's the rationale behind Clinton/Gore. It wasn't about being liberal or moderate; it was about wooing Georgia, Tennessee, Arkansas, North Carolina -- the mid South.

Most of these underlying conditions have now been reversed. Trump's base boils down to unreconstructed Southern whites, working class whites who have been made to fear that it's brown and black people who are responsible for the drop in their standard of living.

And white evangelicals, whose interpretation of Christianity was literally invented by far right political consultants to convince them to vote Republican. Falwell (who was close to bankrupt at the time) et al made a quid pro quo deal with the far right devil. They got rich and powerful by convincing their congregations that God hated gays and abortion. The former was a relatively easy sell. They had to work a litte harder on the "pro choice" front, since most of their parishoners were originally okay with Roe. But the evangelical base is shrinking as their kids leave the fold.

Nothing of these factors relates to being "too" liberal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
K&R. Great observations and pointa on having a liberal party. CentralMass Jun 2019 #1
Thank you. Laelth Jun 2019 #65
Just saw your title and haven't read thoroughly but just resonant strongly. Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #2
Same. Thank you. n/t Laelth Jun 2019 #66
And how did the Democrats do Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #3
But the country is more liberal now. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #5
That must be why Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #6
True, but Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #9
No Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #13
I think Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #17
True Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #19
Common sense is a dog whistle term used in right wing ads here NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #31
Ok than something different Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #42
The Democratic Party of the 80's was pretty much where it was in the 70's rpannier Jun 2019 #26
You're overlooking... brooklynite Jun 2019 #39
The party in the 80s had run out of steam and ideas after 50 years in power. hedda_foil Jun 2019 #40
Are you claiming Mondale and Dukakis weren't liberal? Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #45
No. Where did you get that impression? I'll word it differently if it's unclear. hedda_foil Jun 2019 #56
Using your logic, the democrats should target minorities and out hate the GOP Politicub Jun 2019 #28
Never said that Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #59
Well said. Laelth Jun 2019 #67
The youngest people to vote in the 1980 election would be 56 today. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #7
Then why don't the Democrats Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #8
The same reason Nine Inch Nails isn't in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame yet. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #11
Then wait for them to occur Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #15
That's not what "gradual" means. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #18
Maybe/Maybe not Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #21
That's essentially my point. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #22
True Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #23
Are you a moderate or centrist? Just curious... NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #33
I'm pragmatic Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #44
Ah - so yes, you are a moderate or centrist. thanks for clarifying. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #46
Not what I said Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #47
Sorry - I am utterly fed up with moderates and centrists and pragmatists in times like these. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #48
Well good luck Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #49
Frankly, I've never experienced "my way" - everything has been diluted into incremental, often NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #50
Yeah it is really annoying to have to live with other people Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #52
Have a nice evening. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #55
You too nt Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #58
We are in the "my way or the highway" mode and have been for years. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #63
What we need to do is defeat Trump...I am fed up by Trump. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #85
I turned 18 in 78. 80 was my first Presidential election. CentralMass Jul 2019 #77
The point made is that the party was far LESS liberal in 1980. BadgerMom Jun 2019 #36
No it was very liberal in the 80s Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #43
Exactly right...and I would hate to see that happen again. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #70
I don't remember the liberal part in the '80s. Go Vols Jul 2019 #78
Yes the DLC was a reaction Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #81
It WASN'T a truly liberal party in 80, 84, and 88. Laelth Jul 2019 #83
"progressives" have been trying to make this case since... well, forever. wyldwolf Jul 2019 #87
Yes we are. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #4
I'll be convinced by results. Having said that, I do feel that our party is more liberal now today KPN Jun 2019 #10
I don't feel great with a senate that is probably lost to us for the forseeable future and a blue Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #71
We are doing it. KPN Jul 2019 #72
Doing what exactly? Have you looked at the Senate map...we are not a liberal country and if we run Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #73
I wouldn't go quite that far.. mountain grammy Jun 2019 #12
There are some conservative Dems in the House. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #14
They gave us our house majority...and without moderates, we will lose it. And the Senate is going Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #74
Some Democrats get more corporate donations than others IronLionZion Jul 2019 #75
Castro even acknowledged the rights of trans persons. rainin Jun 2019 #16
Okay DownriverDem Jun 2019 #20
40 percent of the country is overcome with hate and have been charmed by Trump Politicub Jun 2019 #32
Climate change is driving the shift to more liberal politics. We're in the middle of an jalan48 Jun 2019 #24
A positive upbeat message and impression. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #25
K&R to victory! Politicub Jun 2019 #27
K&R Thanks for cheering me up. lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #29
Included is Reclaiming Religion (or Lack Thereof) as a Democratic Value dlk Jun 2019 #30
Good post. BTW... 63 yrs old here and always proud to be a Democrat and NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #34
Thank you. n/t Laelth Jul 2019 #82
I am the older generation Camaromjr Jun 2019 #35
11. No puedo leer de otro bebe muriendo arrancado de los brazos de la madre. lambchopp59 Jun 2019 #37
Donald Trump can win again then. Midwestocrat Jun 2019 #38
Me too... Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #86
I liked ALL the candidates. AllyCat Jun 2019 #41
I have been proud to be a Democrat for over 40 years. redstatebluegirl Jun 2019 #51
"... marijuana, and he is our most conservative candidate" trev Jun 2019 #53
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #95
Yes, Very proud to be a Democrat. Brngs me back to my youth in the 60's - Far out, Man!! walkingman Jun 2019 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2019 #57
K&R EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2019 #60
Some of the candidates speak to liberal values and policies. ananda Jun 2019 #61
Point taken. Laelth Jul 2019 #94
There is a danger in some candidates going too far left. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #62
Nice observations. PatrickforO Jun 2019 #64
Thank you for all of those relevant insights on Hickenlooper. Laelth Jun 2019 #68
Yeah, the country is not liberal...center left at best. I fail to understand how folks missed the Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #69
Just like Republicans watched in horror thinking Trump would fail badly IronLionZion Jul 2019 #76
Not in the red states...we won't win Alabama most likely...the midterms clearly show we need a big Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #80
The ground work to elect Republicans was laid...they had an issue when they lost Virginia...but Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #84
The polling does not support the claim that the party has become more liberal Gothmog Jul 2019 #79
I get your point. Laelth Jul 2019 #88
I am part of the moderate base of the party Gothmog Jul 2019 #89
I thought you were one of the Nazgul. Laelth Jul 2019 #90
Gothmog is also a name of one of Sauron's Balrogs Gothmog Jul 2019 #92
"And we are liberal--finally, and at last." myohmy2 Jul 2019 #91
Our presidential candidates appear to be universally liberal. Laelth Jul 2019 #93
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