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NurseJackie

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57. That's what happens with a "no compromise" and all-or-nothing attitude.
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 10:15 AM
Dec 2019

That's what happens with a "no compromise" and all-or-nothing attitude. One needs to be willing to find common ground, and make compromises, and engage in some give-and-take. One needs to have the interpersonal skills to be able to gain allies and form partnerships. One must be willing to do what's necessary to shepherd their bill through. One needs to be realistic and look at the political climate and landscape when determining and planning for what can actually be accomplished and funded.

The "shoot for the Moon" and "go for the gold" bills may look good on someone's CV... but in the end it's just a vanity effort for "bragging rights".

All I'm trying to say is that getting things done and ACTUALLY making progress requires work and cooperation. This isn't the same as naming a post office or dedicating a bridge. The successful politician is someone who lives in the REAL WORLD and knows how to WORK WITH OTHERS to make progress, and build on the successes of previous accomplishments.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
He has to earn those votes. Feet must be held to the fire. betsuni Dec 2019 #1
re: "Give details and name names" - you think THAT would be better? That would be more divisive! thesquanderer Dec 2019 #12
Great post TheFarseer Dec 2019 #129
I was very happy that Obama won the primaries janterry Dec 2019 #2
How will Bernie rise to the top when he's alienated so many Hillary voters, and they pnwmom Dec 2019 #4
I've written before janterry Dec 2019 #40
Similar experience, but never BS. Amimnoch Dec 2019 #49
It's true janterry Dec 2019 #54
I'm in that crowd Fresh_Start Dec 2019 #78
+1! Cha Dec 2019 #119
Too bad for them...future Republicans or non-voters are what they are... get their way or Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #81
Most of the young folks I know are either for Elizabeth or Bernie. Scotch-Irish Dec 2019 #106
Just goes to show... radical noodle Dec 2019 #108
I know a ton of never sanders types Gothmog Dec 2019 #115
The same could be said for BS and black voters, especially black women voters who are the... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2019 #135
This is something I've never understood... Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #3
Not only that DownriverDem Dec 2019 #33
"Professional grown-ups" brutus smith Dec 2019 #39
That's not what happened in 2008. lapucelle Dec 2019 #59
My post said... Mike Nelson Dec 2019 #61
Sanders cannot beat Trump - I believe that also about Warren and a few others Pachamama Dec 2019 #5
well they didnt last time so why should they this time.. samnsara Dec 2019 #31
Sadly... Pachamama Dec 2019 #69
Bernie CAN win! James48 Dec 2019 #6
No he can't. He clearly hates the Democratic party... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #10
He can melman Dec 2019 #20
Haaaaaa! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #27
No we do NOT know that sanders can win Gothmog Dec 2019 #53
No we don't know it because it isn't true...and I think he knows he won't win...hence the attacks Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #83
Nope. Not really. ehrnst Dec 2019 #122
So he votes with democratic senators 99% because he hates them... Joe941 Dec 2019 #113
That's a myth. He does NOT vote with the Democrats 99% of the time. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #114
Where do you get that statistic? I hear it a lot, but never hear the source. ehrnst Dec 2019 #120
How will he appeal to people who preferred Hillary to him in 2016? What has he done pnwmom Dec 2019 #11
So you're saying people like you won't vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination? brutus smith Dec 2019 #42
No. What pnwmom is saying is that he WILL NOT win the nomination without... NurseJackie Dec 2019 #52
Attempted pivot to a strawman... ehrnst Dec 2019 #123
No, it's how can Bernie win the nomination without winning over treestar Dec 2019 #125
+1000. ehrnst Dec 2019 #139
No justie18 Dec 2019 #13
This scenario seems all too likely. Bernie doesn't seem to be making any effort at all pnwmom Dec 2019 #24
Hillary didn't concede to Obama right away. brutus smith Dec 2019 #43
But justie18 Dec 2019 #58
Hillary supporters wanted a roll call at the convention in 2008. brutus smith Dec 2019 #65
That's not what happened at the 2008 convention. lapucelle Dec 2019 #66
As I correctly said she finally gave the acclamation speech. brutus smith Dec 2019 #70
Well justie18 Dec 2019 #73
Actually, HRC put out word within 24 hours that she would be suspending her campaign. StevieM Dec 2019 #74
It's incorrect to say that HRC "finally" gave the acclamation speech. lapucelle Dec 2019 #75
By historical standards any race that close would have been expected to go to the convention. StevieM Dec 2019 #85
Clinton Ends Campaign With Clear Call to Elect Obama lapucelle Dec 2019 #89
The degree of rank misinformation that's floating around on this thread is troubling. N/T lapucelle Dec 2019 #90
And no matter how many times it's debunked it goes right back to being bunked. betsuni Dec 2019 #127
No. Obama clinched the nomination on June 3, Hillary decided to concede the next day and met betsuni Dec 2019 #126
I remember 2008 quite well. lapucelle Dec 2019 #62
Exactly! justie18 Dec 2019 #76
NO HILLARY DID NOT & I'LL NEVER FORGET THE REASONING SHE GAVE FOR NOT CONCEDING EARLIER!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #105
She decided to concede the day after Obama got the nomination, met with him the day after that, betsuni Dec 2019 #128
So? Red herring... ehrnst Dec 2019 #124
but what has he done? and what makes him more real? samnsara Dec 2019 #32
Do you know his background? DownriverDem Dec 2019 #34
I believe this, too janterry Dec 2019 #44
nobody wins when the party is divided. bernie is a great divider. and talk about baggage. mopinko Dec 2019 #50
He's got a fraction of the support he had four years ago, and as he liked to say.... George II Dec 2019 #63
DAMN RIGHT BERNIE CAN WIN!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #98
It's you that needs to "wake up." ehrnst Dec 2019 #121
Interestingly, the naderites, the PUMAs rioting for HRC, and Hortensis Dec 2019 #7
I doubt sanderistas are the same people as PUMAs JonLP24 Dec 2019 #101
So did I, and Hillary as well. These people think differently Hortensis Dec 2019 #111
I am a proud member of the Democratic Party Gothmog Dec 2019 #8
Yep DownriverDem Dec 2019 #35
So you're another one who won't vote for Bernie if he's the nominee? brutus smith Dec 2019 #45
No one said that...they ...we because I include myself will not vote for Sanders in the Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #84
Excellent analysis! Thank you. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #9
Hillary lost to trump RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #14
Please explain what Bernie has done since then to reach out to people who preferred Hillary, pnwmom Dec 2019 #15
You can throw out your numbers all you want RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #19
If Bernie can't get several million Hillary voters to pick him instead of Warren, Biden, pnwmom Dec 2019 #21
So what? RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #23
+1000 Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #87
You can't win if you can't get people to fill in the top of the ballot. floppyboo Dec 2019 #100
Since seniors dying is your stated reason for fewer R B Garr Dec 2019 #109
I think of his stent proceedure as a restorative thing - he's back better than before floppyboo Dec 2019 #130
Since you are so morbid about Clinton voters, R B Garr Dec 2019 #133
She kicked Trump's ass. She lost to Comey. StevieM Dec 2019 #77
THE POINT IS HILLARY LOST TWICE... IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #94
If people feel the need to keep pointing out that she lost then they are not really moving on. StevieM Dec 2019 #99
Thanks 4 your thoughtful response Stevie. I hear what youre sayin, tho I disagree w/u on some points InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #102
I will never get over the 16 general election loss...and I won't support Sanders in a primary...only Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #86
YESSSSSSSS!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #93
He doesn't have the support DownriverDem Dec 2019 #37
Get over it RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #47
SERIOUSLY!!!! BUT IM VOTING FOR BERNIE, ALONG WITH MOST OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY... CANT WAIT!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #96
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #41
Will you support Bernie if he's the nominee? brutus smith Dec 2019 #46
Ask me again if he becomes our party's nominee. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #51
That's the difference between you and me. brutus smith Dec 2019 #71
I WILL!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #97
They are all fine with me. safeinOhio Dec 2019 #16
Suburban women aren't a big group for Bernie, but they were for Hillary. nt pnwmom Dec 2019 #17
Dems that voted but not for President safeinOhio Dec 2019 #18
Jill Stein voters swung the election. Comey swung the election. pnwmom Dec 2019 #22
They played the EC like a fiddle Freddie Dec 2019 #26
Bernie or Bust folks who ARE too stupid to see this possibility dansolo Dec 2019 #36
That ought to bring them into the fold. safeinOhio Dec 2019 #60
Are you so pissed that you'd safeinOhio Dec 2019 #134
No, I'll vote blue no matter who Freddie Dec 2019 #136
That is the most important thing. safeinOhio Dec 2019 #137
I don't hate Bernie Freddie Dec 2019 #138
indeed. And where are Podesta and Mook now? nt floppyboo Dec 2019 #131
There are more suburban women who support Bernie than you think... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #104
I bet a good number of people are ABB Renew Deal Dec 2019 #25
Are you saying that if Sanders is the nominee Maggiemayhem Dec 2019 #67
I'm talking about the primary Renew Deal Dec 2019 #79
im still waiting for someone to tell me any of his accomplishments.. samnsara Dec 2019 #28
Google is your friend brutus smith Dec 2019 #48
We have looked and cannot find such accomplishments Gothmog Dec 2019 #55
That's what happens with a "no compromise" and all-or-nothing attitude. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #57
i dont know any HRC voters who will support BS this time around... samnsara Dec 2019 #29
Including me. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #56
Includes me too...only a general... Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #88
I DO!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #95
Same here Gothmog Dec 2019 #116
There's only 1 way I would vote for Sanders in the primary MarianJack Dec 2019 #30
Warren will win Clinton voters; a Warren/Harris ticket will energize the democratic base; a woman RestoreAmerica2020 Dec 2019 #38
Warren's missteps with her MFA plan has hurt her Gothmog Dec 2019 #117
You can't compare Hillary to Obama, who was one of the greatest Presidents of all time!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #64
Wait...what? "You can't compare HRC to President Obama or BS"? Why not? N/T lapucelle Dec 2019 #68
Some just cannot refrain from making needless attacks against Hillary Hav Dec 2019 #110
The people who say Bernie can't win the nomination ritapria Dec 2019 #72
Yeah, they're not worried at all. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #82
It is laughable... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #92
Of course they're worried, why else would they spend SO much time & effort attackin Bernie?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #91
I am still hoping that sanders fails to get the 300 delegates needed to put his name into play Gothmog Dec 2019 #118
Pretty much right on target! K&R MineralMan Dec 2019 #80
Bernie won't win the nomination because he's got support from only 6% of black voters... SidDithers Dec 2019 #103
Polling Comparison: brooklynite Dec 2019 #107
Wow, that's quite a nosedive for Bernie. R B Garr Dec 2019 #112
This makes me smile Gothmog Dec 2019 #132
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