Rumsfeld: London Attacks Not Retaliation

[sabra]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/04/AR2005080401217.html

Rumsfeld: London Attacks Not Retaliation

The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES -- Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Thursday rejected as "nonsense" the notion that recent terrorist attacks in London were retaliation for the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

"Some people seem confused about the motivations and intentions of terrorists and about our coalition's defense of the still young democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq," Rumsfeld said in a speech to the Los Angeles World Affairs Council.


"They seem to cling to the discredited theory that the recent attacks in London and elsewhere, for example, are really in retaliation for the war in Iraq or for the so-called occupation of Afghanistan," he added. "That is nonsense."

In a videotape broadcast earlier Thursday, the second-in-command for the al-Qaida terrorist network, Ayman al-Zawahri, threatened more destruction in London, saying that British Prime Minister Tony Blair would be to blame.

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[PurityOfEssence]

1. Because I say so

Causality only works for me. Am I right? Of course I'm right. Anyone who sees this as a backlash doesn't understand that we're never wrong.

[Jacobin]

2. Other witticisms by Herr Rumsfeld

"The MWD's are north, south, and somewhat east of Baghdad"

"The insurgency is just a handful of dead-enders"

"We will be in Iraq only a matter of weeks not more than two months"

"We will be welcomed as liberators"

"The war will only cost $2 billion and will be paid for by oil"

"There is no doubt that Saddam possesses huge amounts of WMDs at this time"


Nostradamus, he's not.

He's just another fucking idiot neo-con who has no goddamned skin in the game except for his 'legacy' which is already fried beyond recognition. If he had any sense of honor or dignity, he'd go off behind his house and blow his own fucking brains out.

[sabra]

7. Please tell me that you had those quotes bookmarked somewhere

If not. I am impressed.

[Jacobin]

15. I need to find the other doozies

He's a very prolific liar and its hard to keep up with all of the really really big ones.

These are just off the top of my head. I like your idea, though. Need to dig through the bilge of his brain and skim off the muck and bookmark it to respond to his future Giant Lies.

cheers

[TahitiNut]

22. Here ...

Rumsfeld (3/14/04): "You and a few other critics are the only people I've heard use the phrase 'immediate threat.' I didn't. The president didn't."
Schieffer: "Vice president didn't say that? The..."
Rumsfeld: "Not--if--if you have any citations, I'd like to see 'em."


"But no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq." -- Donald Rumsfeld, September 10, 2002

"Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent, that Saddam is at least five to seven years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain." -- Donald Rumsfeld, September 19, 2002

"Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- Donald Rumsfeld, January 2003


"The idea that it's going to be a long, long, long battle of some kind I think is belied by the fact of what happened in 1990. Five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that." -- Donald Rumsfeld, November 15, 2002


Many, many at http://www.bushoniraq.com/rumsfeld1.html

[Jacobin]

23. Oh, man, nice collection of Whoppers

Thanks

:hi:

[Karenina]

28. Hey, give the guy a chance!

Maybe he's subtly admitting the whole shebang was just psy-ops! :shrug:

[jazzjunkysue]

45. Our most humble gratitude for your archival skills.

[NYC]

33. You're seeing the same vase 40 times.

That was regarding the looting of the museums of the Cradle of Civilization.

Read what is missing from the museums, and compare it to his 40 vase statement. I think that lie belongs in with the ones you listed.

[cliss]

38. Jacobin, when they throw Bush out,

will you please step in as President? You're needed in the White House. You've got the skills.

[BiggJawn]

12. Not Nostradamus, Rumsferatu....n/t

[politick]

17. Ell, Oh, Ell!

L-O-freakin-L!

Ha ha ha

[Kelvin Mace]

37. Actually

Dick Cheney said, "We will be welcomed as liberators".

and

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

Rumsfeld says something similar:

"Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons... His regime is paying a high price to pursue weapons of mass destruction -- giving up billions of dollars in oil revenue. His regime has large, unaccounted for stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons -- including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and mustard gas; anthrax, botulism, and possibly smallpox -- and he has an active program to acquire and develop nuclear weapons."

The $2 billion dollar figure was the amount the oil fields would need to get them on line, not the total cost of the war.

I can't find any source for "two months" quote.

I'm not trying to make you look bad, but I was just reading the comments in preparation for posting the story and started to source the quotes.

We have to be VERY careful about keep all our facts straight.

[jimshoes]

43. I think this is the Rummy whopper that is close...

From Feb 2003 Aviano Air Base, Italy Town Hall Meeting

Rumsfeld: Well -- (laughter) -- let me say this about that. (Laughter.) It is highly unlikely that we would go to a full mobilization. We -- I have been signing a great many deployment orders and mobilization orders and alerting orders. The forces have been flowing now for a good number of weeks, and that has had its intended effect. There is no question but that the world's focus is on the fact that the Iraqi regime, now for some 12 years, continues to ignore and disagree with the now 17 resolutions of the United Nations. The world understands that; they are looking for cooperation and hoping that the force flow will bring about cooperation, but thus far, it has not.

We don't talk about deployments in the specific, but we have brought a good many Guard and Reserve on active duty. Fortunately, a great many of them were volunteers. We have been able to have relatively few stop losses. There are some currently, particularly in the Army, but relatively few in the Navy and the Air Force. And it is not knowable if force will be used, but if it is to be used, it is not knowable how long that conflict would last. It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.

The whole transcript is available here,
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/t02072003_t0207sdtownhall.html

[Kelvin Mace]

44. There ya go

I wasn't trying to bust anyone's chops, but accuracy is crucial

[Redstone]

40. Well said, Mr J, well said indeed. Nothing more for me to add.

Redstone

[RageFist]

3. Rummy has such a god complex

while it is not fair to assume that the London attacks were the direct result of action in Iraq, he has no way to substantiate that they are NOT the result of action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[jazzjunkysue]

46. God complex is question 7 on the PNAC application, don't ya know.

Wolfie, Rice, Bolton, Cheney, He's in good company.

[endarkenment]

4. right.

They are just insane lunatics randomly striking out for no reason. Or we intend to have a permanent WarnTerra/GlowballStrugga to replace the cOldWar which we stupidly allowed to expire.

[Disturbed]

5. This millionaire should be serviing time in prison.

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.


The US, Govt., Congress, and the Justice Dept no longer abide by the Geneva Convention or the Constitution of the USA.

[cliss]

39. Would you believe -

this man is worth about $139 million bucks. That was BEFORE the war in Iraq, so he may have done a lot of profiteering and skimming since then.

RumsFailed is a war profiteer. I've read articles about this bastard selling nuclear parts to North Korea, selling arms to BOTH SIDES. He doesn't care. He's an Arms Merchant.

We won't talk about the Hen house.

[JaneGat]

6. He likes the sound of his own voice. eom

[Fridays Child]

8. Gee, thanks for clearing that up for us, Donny.

For a minute there, we were starting to believe the facts.

[pinniped]

9. Well, either believe in this mythical al-Zarqawi character...

and take his alleged words as truth, or deny his words and acknowledge he doesn't exist.

Rummy the Dummy can't have it both ways.

I see this piece of crap was a failed comic as well.

--young democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq--

I must have missed something, has the offical discreditor discredited this theory??

--"They seem to cling to the discredited theory--

[Judi Lynn]

10. What a cut-up. The life of the party, for sure.

Using humor to point out there's truly no connection whatsoever to any negative events following our barbaric, second-rate, underhanded, violent, ignorant behavior. What a genius.



He couldn't be doing what he does if he had even a trace of honor. He definitely should go out behind his house as was mentioned earlier.

[BiggJawn]

11. Did he really mean "still-young Democracies", or "Still-Born"?

What kind of "democracy" is it they have in Afghanistan? Karzai? Oh, make me laugh! That damn puppet of Rumsferatu's controls about 4 square blocks of downtown Kabul and a corridor to the airport that he needs to fight his way through to get out of the country.

[Jacobin]

16. I think he meant: "The armed conversion of a formerly

secular state, not aligned with fundamentalist jihadists, into an ally of Iran, filled with millions of fundamentalist jihadists intent on retribution for the invasion and occupation against the West", but somehow it didn't come out that way.

:hi:

[struggle4progress]

42. I thought he meant: "I know cuz I helped plan em." eom

[livinginphotographs]

13. He must think we're all stupid.

How can one think that they were NOT retaliation?

It's as bad as that "they hate us for our freedom" bullshit (I'm almost embarrassed for people who still say that).

[VegasWolf]

14. Here's another scotch, Rummy! nt

[rodeodance]

20. complete ITIOT.

[sinkingfeeling]

18. I guess these guys really don't believe in science. Hey, Rummy,

for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction!

[Gloria]

19. The State Dept. begs to differ!!!!!!!!!!!! See comments which contradict

this spin.....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4255921&mesg_id=4255921




Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 09:48 PM by Gloria

Remember all the spin about how Iraq had no relation to the UK bombings? ...... Blair said it was an "obscenity" to suggest it?????

See last two paragraphs!


http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1450237,00050001...

US issues worldwide travel warning to Americans

Press Trust of India

Washington, August 3, 2005



The US State Department has issued an updated worldwide caution on terrorism, warning Americans about the threat of extremist violence against US citizens and interests abroad.

The warning issued on Tuesday did not list countries but cited "current information" as indicating that Al-Qaeda and affiliated terrorist groups are planning attacks against US interests in "multiple regions, including Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East."

"US citizens are strongly encouraged to maintain a high level of vigilance, be aware of local events, and take the appropriate steps to bolster their personal security," the statement said.

The department's official caution supersedes an alert issued in March which said attacks against private and official targets could come in the form of assassinations, kidnappings, hijackings or bombings.

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The Department cited as cause for concern the spill over from the US intervention in Iraq in and outside the Middle East, as well as other recent militant attacks in Europe.

"Ongoing events in Iraq have resulted in demonstrations and associated violence in several countries; such events are likely to continue for the foreseeable future," it said.

[grytpype]

21. They hate our freedom!

That's why! They're just crazy people who act with no motivation! Because they hate freedom!

They can't be reacting to us bombing the shit out of Iraq and rounding up and torturing their citizens, they just can't!

Jesus, it's impossible to talk sensibly about terrorism, how can we expect to fight it?

[Skittles]

24. TELL THE TRUTH FOR ONCE IN YOUR MISERABLE LIFE

YOU WARMONGERING PIECE OF *SHIT* RUMSFELD

[Generic Other]

25. Rumsfeld is a senile old bag of bones

[MadHound]

26. Rummy the Dummy strikes again

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, this man is either incredibley stupid, or thinks that the American public is. He just spews out one jaw dropper after the another.

Bombs not in retaliation for Iraq War? What kind of fucking drugs are you on Mr. Dumbsfeld? *MH walks off, head down, muttering incredulously to himself*

[Javaman]

27. So by his logic, these attacks would have happened with out the war...

So were is our protection against these "uninspired" attacks?

Jesus, he is such a fucking tool. How do they sleep with themselves at night? I only know he's lying because his lips are moving.

colossal failure*

[warrens]

29. Yeah, just teenage kicks

What an EVIL liar.

[NYC]

30. How does he know ?

Maybe he does know something about the cause of it that the rest of us don't. Could be.

[bunny planet]

31. If you say so Rummy, it must be true.

[anotherdrew]

32. and Rumsfelds knows the bombers motives because WHY?

[librechik]

34. Rummy is in a position to know the motivations of the attackers

since he was probably in on it.

[Jacobin]

35. "Who're ya gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes?"

Donald "BatShit" Rumsfeld.

[The Night Owl]

36. So, basically, Rumsfeld thinks that the people of England are stupid.

Hear that, UK? Rumsfeld thinks you guys are dense.

[neuvocat]

41. Well I suppose that's true.

After all, what he did to Iraq wasn't retaliation for 911 either.

[eleonora]

47. 'discredited theory'?

:wtf: What rock did he crawl under?

[The_Casual_Observer]

48. The guy is either uninformed or totally irresponsible.

Clearly he has absolutely no credible inside knowledge to hang that statement on. Everything that miserable bastard utters is pure lie.