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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:45 PM Original message |
Lawmakers join call to overturn Prop. 8 |
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123infinity (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hooray! This is good news. |
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SoCalNative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Most Excellent |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Looks like O'Lielly gloated too soon on Franken AND this. |
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Like this one? |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. LOL. That'll work! |
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LonePirate (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is good news |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. K&R |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. Bravo! K&R |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Thanks lawmakers! |
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. That's perfect. That sounds like a written law. Which, of course, it should be. |
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scytherius (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. Having read the pleadings, etc (former lawyer here) the chance this will be overturned is excellent |
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CubicleGuy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. The LDS Church didn't donate money to support "yes on 8" |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. church members were told "their souls would be in jeopardy" if they do not donate money |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
41. Mormons were told to contribute to the cause in Arizona as well. |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. links to back up your claim? |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. It's not the CHURCH... it's PEOPLE |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It's not people, it's THE CHURCH(tm) |
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CubicleGuy (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
73. The IRS Tax code clearly states that churches ARE ALLOWED TO BE POLITICAL! |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 03:27 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Fair point, I did hear that |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 08:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. Correction: funds came from mormon congregations all over the country. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 08:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Really? Check out this list |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #24 |
39. Follow the Money...Follow the Link |
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BlueJazz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
52. Nice to hear that from a "Professional" |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
67. I'm so glad to hear this |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
11. Excellent! This is looking better and better... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hee Hee |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. I didn't see the numbers on this vote. was it even close or was it a blowout? n/t |
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4lbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Overall it passed by about 5 points, around 52.3% to 47.7% or something like that. |
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olddad56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
14. No spouses for Gay people, but more than one for Mormon men. Make sense to me. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 04:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. Excellent point that should be put front and center |
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lelgt60 (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
45. the LDS church which promoted prop 8 does not support polygamy |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. So....if Mormons can change their definition of marriage.... |
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lelgt60 (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Wonderful point - you know why they did it? |
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fNord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. K&R Who the hell do those Mormons think they are? |
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Mrspeeker (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
17. K & R |
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Lost-in-FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
18. K&R nt |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. Wonderul--!!! |
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jacobfloyd (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
20. Good. |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
22. NO MORMON MARRIAGES SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN CALIF |
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jwlashta (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. As long as we're engaged in the world of fantasy... |
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VaYallaDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Don't forget, you'd have to wear "special" underwear. n/t |
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fourvahl (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
23. This is great news |
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bjobotts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
25. Overturn prop 8 or the mormon tabernacle choir gets it. |
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mentalslavery (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 05:10 AM Response to Original message |
29. Conflict and conversation-See how that works |
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ToolTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 06:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Go argue with a rock. n/t |
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mentalslavery (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. What does that do? |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I don't think you understand the purpose of DU. |
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mentalslavery (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
71. I do understand the purpose of DU |
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lelgt60 (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. it's perfectly reasonable to discuss how best to change people's minds here |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #29 |
81. I totally agree... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
32. It's very promising |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
34. Good news but . . . |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. We have almost 2/3 in the legislature, but well under half of the voters |
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MiJaMu (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
40. Perhaps I am naieve, but i didn't realize... |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. You're right. You are naive that you didn't realize that marriage is a civil liberty. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. What rock have you been hiding under? |
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123infinity (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. You are joking, yes? |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #40 |
54. Marriage can be both - |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Oh well, live and learn. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
76. Nope. Religion does not own marriage. If it did, there'd be no married atheists/agnostics. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 03:41 AM Response to Reply #40 |
82. Look at it from a family point of view... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
49. WooHoo !!! - K & R !!! |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
55. This is a terrible idea.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The only way the problem is going to be fixed is to change peoples' hearts and minds |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. to change peoples' hearts and minds |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Good reply, AlbertCat and I think we need to remember something here |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Not at all. If it's unconstitutional, it's unconstitutional. There's no reason to tolerate |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. The ballot initiative was approved by the CA Supreme Court |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Wrong. They did not approve this or any other initiative in advance. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. The ballot initiative process is spelled out.. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Maybe I'm not reading closely enough, but I don't see anything in the initiative |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. It's a revision, not an amendment, and is therefore invalid. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. A revision that takes away rights is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. The the court will say so, won't it? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. That's aboslutely untrue. They did NOT approve it in advance. That is a lie. |
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greeneyedboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Civil rights often come from court cases. |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Like the Kelo case? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Or like Loving v Virginia. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
77. Boy, it's a good thing MLK didn't listen to advice like yours. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
83. You don't understand what happened... |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
66. Awesome |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
74. It will be overturned.,. heard it here first :) |
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