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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:23 PM
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Wow! Olberman's Guest was devastating on Bush's
argument that Congress had the same intelligence as Bush.

An unequivocal no to that contention.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:25 PM
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1. can you give a rundown?
I just got home and missed that part.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:37 PM
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14. It was a UPI Correspondent specializing in intelligence issues
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 08:39 PM by joemurphy
named Richard Sale. Sale said that Congress, unlike the Executive Branch, is a consumer of intelligence and not a producer of it. As such it has no ability to assess the conclusions that the Executive Branch presents to it. Sale said that Congress would have to have its own counterintelligence organ to analyze intelligence conclusions presented to it by the Administration.

Olberman pointed out that the National Intelligence Estimate that was presented to Congress contained statements to the effect that Iraq was buying uranium from Niger, that it had mobile labs capable of manufacturing chemical and biological weapons, and that Saddam was training Al-Qaida operatives in the use of WMDs. Sale stated that Congress was being presented with conclusions and would have been in no position to assess their merits unless the Administration also passed on the qualifiers to these assessments -- such as the fact that many suspected the validity of the Niger documents (which ultimately turned out to be forged); that the "mobile labs" intel came from someone code-named Curveball that German intelligence had termed a drunken liar; and that the Al-Qaida training assessment came from someone named Al-Libi who the CIA did not feel was reliable (and who later recanted claiming the statements were coerced by torture).

Sale was succinct and devastating. He said that Congress was being presented with facts and given no means to analyze the veracity of the facts. He concluded that Bush's contention that Congress had the same intelligence as he did was simply not true.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:54 PM
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18. so surprise! bush lied. Again!
Thank you so much for that joemurphy. Excellent review and content!

:hi:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:25 PM
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2. He said Congress is a consumer of intelligence -- it doesn't analyze it.
So obviously all they had is whatever bullpucky Bush chose to feed them -- they had no ability to determine whether it was flawed.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:07 PM
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20. Actually it was worse than that.
According to Harry Reid, Congress only got copies of the NIE on Iraq on October 8, 2005 -- around 3 days before it passed the Iraq War Resolution giving Bush his blank check to commence hostilities whenever he wanted. In fact, debate on the Resolution had started before Congress even saw the NIE. It was a lengthy document and, apparently, only 17 Congressmen actually even read it. Most relied on Administration briefings concerning its contents.

What a fiasco!
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:25 PM
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3. It's time for some real intelligence. Like here.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:27 PM
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6. That picture is seriously disturbing ...
Richard Sale (the guest) was EXCELLENT -- really spelled it out concisely (and skewered Shrubya's words today).
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:33 PM
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13. So that's where * learned abou Duct Tape
Red Green Show - haven't seen it in a while
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Pam-Moby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:26 PM
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4. Yes, it was very well said.
Keith has some good news these days.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:27 PM
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5. Richard Sale...hope we saved a clip...
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 08:27 PM by slor
he was sank the chimp's argument.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:28 PM
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7. Who is he?
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:30 PM
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10. UPI Intelligence Analyst n/t
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:29 PM
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8. Mark Shields kicked ass on the Lehrer News Hour.
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 08:30 PM by Burried News
Ray Suarez was also very smooth with the Bush mouthpiece he interviewed.
He never contradicted him but the question line was very logical and controlled. The guy referred to the Republicans as "the ruling party". Usually they'll say the party in power or the majority party. This is the first time I have ever heard an American Political Party spokesmen refer to their party as "the rulling party".

The Democrats ought to push the ReTHUGS on this and hit the Party before country meme.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:32 PM
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11. An important theme the Dems should push is "one party rule". How we have
had it in recent years in America.

Like China and the old Soviet Politburo. Like Cuba.

Everyone happy with the result?
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 12:18 AM
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21. Excellent point
Yes, "one party rule" deserves lots of repetition!!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:41 PM
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15. That pisses me off..they don't rule
me..they don't even govern ..all they do is dirty campaigning.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:51 PM
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17. That's just it
Just keep calling them "the ruling party" and it will have a devasting backlash. It's just that simple. Americans will start to wake up.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:30 PM
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9. That was the UPI (Moonie Times) Terra correspondent!
When the Moonies are taking shots at Bushit he is done.

Don
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:32 PM
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12. Sounds like the MSM is not going to let Bush get away with
even more lies. Good for them.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 08:49 PM
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16. Sounds to me like Olberman was criticizing Bush
before criticizing Bush was cool. He's on the cutting edge of journalism as a result as is
TDS.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:07 PM
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19. Nom and Kick
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