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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:29 PM
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Why is nobody mentioning Powell as a McCain running mate possibility?
This seems to me to be the obvious choice. Not that he'd take it. I think he's said he's not interested in politics, but still, I'm surprised that the media, which loves speculation, hasn't been throwing this out there every chance it gets.

For God's sake, even with all his major screw-ups, he's still the most credible Republican out there, and was 10x more competent that Rice has been, he just has no back-bone.

Just curious.

David
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:30 PM
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1. I've heard two military men on a ticket is a loser.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM
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HIs performance at the UN. Lying about WMDs to the American people
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:33 PM
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6. McCain supporters wouldn't view it that way --
many still believe the WMD/Al Q/ Saddam/Osama crap.

I agree with the thought about two military guys not being a winning ticket. That might be too scary even for the RW.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:36 PM
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10. You might have a point.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:34 PM
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8. Hey! I agree from my point of view, but I don't think everyone sees it that way
plus his f*ck-ups are minor (from a certain point of view) compared to others. I think he has major, major flaws (mainly too intent on taking orders and loyalty), but he's not incompetent, which Rice very clearly is, and yet the press is all over suggesting her, even though she's said NO.

David
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:45 PM
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26. I don't think that he want to sell out anymore
He probably already feels slimy enough as it is.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM
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2. because that is just not gonna happen
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM
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3. Because he's Pro Choice. Same reason they'll never put Condi, or Rudy on the ticket.
It's not going to happen.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM
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4. I think he's as averse to the idea as Rice
Neither wants the job, and who could blame them?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:31 PM
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5. Well, he's definitely been vetted


:D
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:33 PM
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7. LMAO!
I'd never seen that one. Awesome!

David
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TomBall Democrat Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:35 PM
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9. Uhh, interesting question
for a Republican...

Is there a Republican Underground? Perhaps that is the undisclosed location where Dick Cheney hides!

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:18 PM
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21. Looks like they're not down
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:50 PM
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28. Or for a democrat interested in
thinking of what challenges we might face depending on who McCain picks. Anticipate the opponent. Might be a more useful use of our time than trying to mutually torpedo every democrat from within. Or not. Up to you.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:41 PM
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11. John McCain is a Neocon, while Colin Powell is not. n/t
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:45 PM
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12. It'll never happen
The hard right hates and mistrusts Powell even more than McCain. Powell is nowhere near conservative enough and nowhere near enough of a hawk for the 30 percenters.
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jzola Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:46 PM
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13. He'll endorse Obama as soon as Obama has the nomination tied up.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:48 PM
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15. Exactly, he is going to endorse Obama. nm
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:48 PM
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14. Mrs. Powell already said no.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:50 PM
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16. While Powell sold his soul when discussing WMD's...
I think he still has some dignity left, and would not entangle himself w/this GOP again.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 05:50 PM
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17. He's also in his 70s
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:10 PM
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18. I once had a great deal of respect for him
but lost it when he went to the UN with information that he knew was fraudulent. He did regain a bit of integrity when he left after the first term, but IMO he would have made a stronger statement by leaving when he realized he was the only sane man in the administration.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:39 PM
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24. IMO, he could have tipped the 2004 election by leaving earlier
He gave the administration some credibility which it did not deserve.

Personally, I feel really sorry for the guy. I know he knew what the score was and he allied himself with the wrong side, but his loyalty trumped everything else, which was his downfall.

David
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:10 PM
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19. Because he was born in 1937. Because Alma would say no. Because they'd call the
ticket "The Bucket List: Part Deux."

Never mind that he's never held elective office. Never mind that he's been off the world stage for awhile. Never mind that he is seventy one years old (birthday last week, APR fifth).

It's just not good. Grumpier Old Men is NOT what McCain wants to project....
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:11 PM
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20. Because they're counting on the bigot (anti-woman or anti-black) vote?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:22 PM
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23. lol. that's true too nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:21 PM
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22. That ticket would worry me against Hillary /someone other than Obama nt
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:44 PM
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25. Ain't gonna happen - Powell has actually expressed regret about pushing the war
It wouldn't be a good match for McCain's 100 Year War strategy.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:46 PM
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27. Maybe because I don't really care who McCain chooses?
I'm not going to vote for him and have no veto power over his choice so why should I care?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 06:50 PM
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29. Rice and Powell Approved the Use of Torture.... they are War Criminals

Edited on Wed Apr-09-08 03:56 PM by K Gardner
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/story?id=45832...

Sources: Top Bush Advisors Approved 'Enhanced Interrogation'
Detailed Discussions Were Held About Techniques to Use on al Qaeda Suspects


By JAN CRAWFORD GREENBURG, HOWARD L. ROSENBERG and ARIANE de VOGUE
April 9, 2008

The so-called Principals who participated in the meetings also approved the use of "combined" interrogation techniques -- using different techniques during interrogations, instead of using one method at a time -- on terrorist suspects who proved difficult to break, sources said.

Highly placed sources said a handful of top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top al Qaeda suspects -- whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding.

The high-level discussions about these "enhanced interrogation techniques" were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed -- down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic.

The advisers were members of the National Security Council's Principals Committee, a select group of senior officials who met frequently to advise President Bush on issues of national security policy.

At the time, the Principals Committee included Vice President Cheney, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft.

Torture Memo: No Rights for TerroristsMemo Seen As 'An Exercise of Sheer Power'Why Did White House Wait to Release Memo?As the national security adviser, Rice chaired the meetings, which took place in the White House Situation Room and were typically attended by most of the principals or their deputies.

Contacted by ABC News today, spokesmen for Tenet, Rumsfeld and Powell declined to comment about the interrogation program or their private discussions in Principals Meetings. Powell said through an assistant there were "hundreds of meetings" on a wide variety of topics and that he was "not at liberty to discuss private meetings."

The White House also declined comment on behalf of Rice and Cheney. Ashcroft could not be reached for comment today. (Ashcroft reportedly said: "Why are we discussing this in the WHITE HOUSE? History will not look kindly on us.") Critics at home and abroad have harshly criticized the interrogation program, which pushed the limits of international law and, they say, condoned torture. Bush and his top aides have consistently defended the program. They say it is legal and did not constitute torture.

"I can say that questioning the detainees in this program has given us the information that has saved innocent lives by helping us stop new attacks here in the United States and across the world," Bush said in a speech in September 2006.

In interview with ABC's Charles Gibson last year, Tenet said: "It was authorized. It was legal, according to the Attorney General of the United States."

But this is the first time sources have disclosed that a handful of the most senior advisers in the White House explicitly approved the details of the program. According to multiple sources, it was members of the Principals Committee that not only discussed specific plans and specific interrogation methods, but approved them.

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JNational Lawyers Guild calls for Yoo’s disbarment & Tried as a War Criminal

Today, the National Lawyers Guild — the “oldest and largest public interest/human rights bar organization in the United States” — called on Berkeley’s law school, Boalt Hall, to dismiss former Bush administration John Yoo, who is a law professor there. From the Guild’s statement:

In a memorandum written the same month George W. Bush invaded Iraq, Boalt Hall law professor John Yoo said the Department of Justice would construe US criminal laws not to apply to the President’s detention and interrogation of enemy combatants. According to Yoo, the federal statutes against torture, assault, maiming and stalking do not apply to the military in the conduct of the war. <…>

“John Yoo’s complicity in establishing the policy that led to the torture of prisoners constitutes a war crime under the US War Crimes Act,” said National Lawyers Guild President Marjorie Cohn.

Congress should repeal the provision of the Military Commissions Act that would give Yoo immunity from prosecution for torture committed from September 11, 2001 to December 30, 2005. John Yoo should be disbarred and he should not be retained as a professor of law at one of the country’s premier law schools. John Yoo should be dismissed from Boalt Hall and tried as a war criminal.


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