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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:09 AM Original message |
It;s been an eye opener to discover how tenuous the Clintons' standing is within the party |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. That's one of the reasons that most former presidents stay above the fray in primaries. |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Very true! |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. I think you're just seeing what you want to see. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I notice you're incapable of actually disputing the facts. |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I dispute your interpretation of the facts. It's classic "Clintophobe logic." |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. You are correct, Mr. Logan |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. um, no. I think there's evidence that some people in the party |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. You'd better get to the other thread where a Hillarite is lamenting the party' conspiracy... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
98. A conspiracy" against the clintons! |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Right on Perry Logan. Obama supporters like to forget |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Safe bet that Obama supporters actions will come back to haunt the Party |
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BlueCaliDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
45. How? By campaigning on Hope instead of Fear like Hillary and the Repukes? |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
70. Sorry, but I don't get hope from his campaign |
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PatGund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Funny... |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. That's a pretty broad brush you're swinging there.... |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Your post is still irrational and wrong regardless of whom you do or don't support |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. You may think so, and that is your right |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. As a former Edwards and now Obama supporter, I know I'm right. |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. And, it's too bad you haven't noticed it |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Right!! |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. You want to spite a few dozen zealots on a msg board |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. I don't support Clinton, I don't like either. n/t |
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dano81818 (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
54. you can't count FL and MI |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. For being so well liked people sure are ditching them like rats off a sinking ship. |
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psychopomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
51. Robert Reich is a very intelligent person with a good sense of humor |
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dano81818 (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
53. it's not that no one ever liked them in the past |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. Well said and welcome to DU... |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
77. scaife endorsed hilarity. explain that. Unless you don't think the |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
104. The primary voters apparently didn't like the Clintons so much. |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
21. Your destroy the Clintons campaign has appairently been successful |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
56. Did anyone cover Hillary's "Screw 'em" comment this week other than Couric on the CBS Evening News? |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:22 AM Response to Original message |
4. Indeed. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
5. mind if I...k&r? |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
6. I'm not so sure their standing was tenuous - they have been putting |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yes, they've certainly acted as their own worst enemies |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Yes - I agree. When you consider the IWR and the DLC |
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dommyluc (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
9. Hillary after these upcoming primaries |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
90. Good post, dommyluc |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
12. Bill and Hillary never were the figures within the Democratic party, they were figures within....... |
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DemsUnited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
13. Must read article in today's NYT about this exact issue |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
15. Their unbridled ambition regardless of who or what is in the way |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I'll be thrilled to hear her concession speech. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
29. A political truism: The Clintons are always there when they need you. |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
65. She has that hubris that I've seen in Bush |
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samdogmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #15 |
72. You can count me. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
18. BARBARA BOXER, hello! |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. HRC's deadbeat brother delinquent in child support /alimony payments to Boxer's daughter & grandson |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #31 |
50. that is really sad |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
82. WOW. What a scumbag! |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
85. Why are you posting such crap on this thread, or on DU for that matter? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
19. The Clintons thought because he had been president, she was |
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Alpharetta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
20. Howard Dean's low profile on this intrigues me |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Dean has remained scrupulously unbiased throughout this process |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
60. Apparently even people inside the DNC don't know who he's supporting |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
76. I wouldn't be grinning at her decline if I was Dean - It's bad now and going to get worse. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
99. You "wouldn't be grinning if you were Dean"? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I think he has some reason to be happy too, but |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Okay..I see your point. Yeah, I'm |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. Not a disaster, Cali, unless they're measuring it by their own ruler. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
26. This sums up the Clintons: you can only skin a sheep once. |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
66. Oh wow, great analogy. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
27. evidence mounts daily that the clintons are no more than paid off corrupt politicians |
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EmperorHasNoClothes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
28. It's evident in the way she was the presumed front-runner from the beginning |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
32. it speaks far more of our party than of them |
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ecdab (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. a politicians loyalty should lie with the people of this nation not with |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #34 |
59. That is so true, wonder why some people don't understand that? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Interesting. I reached the conclusion that the Clintons were no longer worthy of their loyalty. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Kennedy is still Senator thanks to Bill and Hillary working their asses off for him in MA in 94 |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #41 |
61. Ted would have won anyway in '94 |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. I am not saying he does |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #41 |
71. Kennedy had a 60% approval rating in April 1994 - he was extremely unlikely to lose |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. The Clintons didn't do much for the party. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Bradley and Richardson did no such thing |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. You mean Hillary isn't negative? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. So negative is OK if you think it is true |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. So do you disagree that Hillary Clinton has run an extraordinarily negative primary campaign? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. in comparision to Obama, no |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Did Obama say John McCain was more qualified to be President than Hillary? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. no he merely had a surrogate call people to say |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
74. I musta missed that. How does one white man run a race-baiting campaign vs. another white guy? |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
67. You could make that argument if the public Hillary defectors |
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PatGund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #67 |
81. Because to the Sen. Clinton camp |
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vssmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
33. I have no evidence but |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
35. After they lose the primary, they are going to be pariahs. |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
38. This left-wing movement wants complete destruction of the Clintons |
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DrFunkenstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. I Oppose Her Militarism, But I Have Voted For Her As Senator And Will Again |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
80. Hmm, so you are saying the left wing and |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Yes, that's right |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
40. I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation but... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
42. Hopefully, the Clintons will be regarded as a rightwing anomaly in a center-left party. |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
47. How can any Democrat not be furious about the Clenis, that one eyed monster |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
48. Great post, cali. |
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dano81818 (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
52. the fruits of "me first, you, maybe never" triangulation |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
57. Except for Clinton's election in '96 The Clinton years were not good ones for electing dems |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
62. Well, my feelings actually ran pretty deep |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
64. They've run the party as their own little Manor house |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
73. I think this has surprised almost everyone |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
75. It's been a real eye opener to discover just how spiteful, vicious & megalomaniacal the Clintons are |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
86. Excellent analysis and I think you're right on the money. |
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Ice-9 (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
87. I think there's a tipping effect at work. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
89. I think you have hit this nail perfectly. Kicked! |
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Levgreee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
95. I think this has shown the complete opposite... people have tolerated so much malicious crap from |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-20-08 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
103. lol funny shit |
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