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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:09 PM
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I just wanted to post here, just to do it
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scrappydo Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:12 PM
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1. This is a "feel good" place for me also...
I occasionally do battle with Hillary supporters on ABC blogs - rough, very rough over there..:nuke:
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:12 PM
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2. FREE POST!
John McCain voted for the IWR and did not even bother to spend a few hours to read the 92 page NIE report. He claims to know so much about Iraq but he continually makes factual errors of a basic nature about Iraq. He has even resorted to lying about the safety and security of Iraq by claiming that it was safe for him to walk through the streets of Baghdad but failed to mention the heavy military protection he received.



Here is parts of the unredacted October 2002 NIE report that John McSame didn't even bother to peruse before giving authority to Idiot Bush to go to war.

National Intelligence Estimate
Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction

October 2002, Top Secret
Source: CIA declassification release under FOIA, June 1, 2004
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/nie.pdf









http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few-senators-read-i...

Critics of the war suggest that more senators may have voted against the war authorization had they had read the full report.

Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, one of the senators who read the report and a staunch critic of the war, said the findings were “enough to have me vote against going to war in Iraq.”

<snip>

Even some who did not read the full report say the briefings were enough to leave them unconvinced.

“After all the briefings, I simply was not convinced that the Iraqi weapons program posed an imminent threat to our country,” said Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), who viewed a draft copy during a closed hearing weeks before the vote.


Now McSame has stated that it's "not too important" when our troops come home. This demonstrates a craven disregard for the families and soldiers who are paying the ultimate price for this economy sinking war. Furthermore, his vote against the New GI Bill is another sign of a man with a black heart who doesn't seem to have a lot of compassion for our men and women forced to fight this illegal, unconstitutional, and lied-into war.

John McSame has claimed Barack Obama doesn't have the "judgment" to lead on matters of national security, but Barack Obama is the ONLY canidate asking the tough questions regarding Afghanistan and Pakistan. Obama is the ONLY candidate challenging this administration on why, if we are indeed in a war on terror, why we have given up on the "hunt for Osama"? Why is it that Osama can put out video tapes every election year without any challenge or fear of reprisal? Why is that the Pakistanis, our so-called allies, are protecting "Osama bin Laden"? Why did the Bush administration cut and run from Afghanistan and the hunt for "Osama bin Laden" and divert all of our resources into starting an unnecessary, ill-planned war with a country that did NOT attack us and evidence to start the war was based on FALSE evidence? John McSame is the only candidate left in this race who fell for Bush's lies, without putting forth the due diligence required for his office. Will he do the same thing if elected president? Will he just rely on the neocons who are currently advising him? Will he even bother to read his own intelligence reports? Remember Bush didn't read intelligence reports the summer before 9/11. This guy is a clone of Bush. No daylight whatsoever in the level of his incompetence and intelligence.

Barack Obama has been asking these questions. He has also been challenging the status quo and conventional wisdom on Iraq and whether McSame has the capability, intelligence and edge on what to do there. Barack Obama has stated he wants to win the war on terror, by going after the man who masterminded the attack on the U.S. He wants to avoid further war with Iran by talking with them. McSame wants to BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB Iran for no reason at all. Iran is at least a decade away from a nuclear weapon. Who knows what they really have the capability of producing there. Remember when Bush said Saddam had all of these WMDs and underground danger dungeons in Iraq? Turned out to be false and America has paid the price. What's wrong with tough diplomacy? Every president has done so up until Bush the Idiot. What would have happened if Reagan BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMBED the Soviet Union? What if Nixon had BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMBED China? ANY competent president WHO VALUES our men and women who serve in the military sees WAR as an absolute LAST RESORT and will use EVERYTHING in their power to AVOID WAR, including, NOT BEING TERRIFIED to sit down and TALK to leaders from other countries.

WHAT IS MCSAME TERRIFIED OF? WHY IS HE SO AFRAID OF IRAN? Does he believe the only power America has is our military strength? Does he not even have confidence in himself to stand up to dictators without the use of force?

McCain is a TOUGH TALKING neocon just like Bush. He has nothing in terms of true leadership to back all of his tough talk up. It is EASY to send men and women into a war, it is difficult to engage in the real tough work of hard, nose grinding diplomacy and self restraint to NOT GO COMPLETELY THE FUCK OFF AT A DROP OF A DIME like these neocons.

MCSAME HAS A HAIR TRIGGER FINGER LIKE CHENEY (shoots friend in the face), LIKE BUSH ("Bring it On!), LIKE RUMSFELD, WOLFOWITZ, and others. BAD THING IS, McCain is not even SMARTER THAN BUSH! BUSH BEAT HIM in 2000 even when McSame was selling himself as a victimized POW entitled to the presidency. HE IS NOT SMART AT ALL.

McSame is RISKY and he was NEGLIGENT in his role as a senator by voting to authorize this war without even GLANCING at the NIE report. I hold him responsible for the more then 4,000 DEATHS of our young men and women in Iraq and the thousands of MAIMED men and women whose lives have been CHANGED forever OVER A LIE. I blame him for the thousands of Iraqi children who've been KILLED over a LIE. I blame him for our massive deficits and falling dollar as a result of this LIED INTO WAR. I blame him for this $4.00 a gallon GAS. And NO, NO, NO, a "gas tax holiday" CANNOT BUY my forgiveness. IT CANNOT APPEASE ME of the fact that when BUSH got into office, GAS WAS $1.80 a gallon. I CANNOT BE BOUGHT FOR 30 FUCKING PENNIES A DAY!

BRING THE TROOPS HOME RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

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