Where is Hillary? We've already heard from Geraldine Ferraro

[SuperTrouper]

I think that Senator Hillary Clinton should come into the spotlight to put Caribou Sarah in her place. First, Caribou Sarah is saying that Hillary is a whiner whenever her campaign complained that Obama's team was attacking her in the primaries; secondly, Sarah claimed that Hillary punched the glass ceiling with 18 million cracks and now she, Sarah Palin, would take it from there to break the glass barrier. We've already heard Geraldine Ferraro accuse the media and those (Democrats) criticizing Palin as sexists and she would be watching them. So we are waiting for Senator Clinton to come out swinging on behalf of Senator Obama and Senator Biden. We have seen Barbara Boxer, Debbie Wasserman and Nancy Pelosi denounce Palin publicly. We have to go on the attack now because we need to define and expose Palin as the extremist that she is and then pivot and bring tthe attack to McCain and his out of touch philosophy.

[phleshdef]

1. A report yesterday said that she is on her way...

I imagine no big efforts will be underway until after the RNC is over though.

I've never wanted to hear Hillary go into attack dog mode until now. At this point, I'm salivating as I anticipate Sarah Palin getting schooled by a much stronger, more intelligent and much more politically capable woman... who just happens to be on the right side of the issues.

[skooooo]

7. Well, we're all waiting..

:eyes:

[cwydro]

58. I think they're waiting for the convention to end.

That makes sense to me. Let'em have their fun.

But just wait.:evilgrin:

[skooooo]

60. heee heee

I hope she roasts them alive!

[trueblue2007]

91. Hillary had BETTER roast the Repukes alive. I was FOR Hillary!

I sure don't want her to disappoint me.

I also think all other Women of Merit should come forward and sound the trumpet AGAINST Sarah Palin.

[eleny]

15. I'm glad to hear this

I figured she'd wait until after tonight. Goes without saying that she needs to come out stronger than she's ever done in any campaign in her life. Frankly, I don't expect it. But I have hope and will of course reserve judgment until she speaks.

[phleshdef]

20. I didn't expect her or Bill's DNC speeches to be what they were either

But they surprised me big time and earned back all the respect they had lost from me during the primaries.

Never count the Clinton's out. When you get down to it, they truly are Democrats first.

[eleny]

41. But they're corporate Dems

I'll believe it when I hear it from her. She's the only one who can gather the last remaining of her supporters who are declaring that they're undecided or leaning towards McCain. Given what Ferraro is up to I'm suspicious.

[mzmolly]

85. That's right. We'll see more of her after the convention.

And, she'll rock! :hi:

[RiverStone]

101. Yes, I suspect after the RNC are done spewing their garbage, we will hear from Hil

[madfloridian]

2. LOL Ferraro and the PUMAs are working together to defend Palin.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2623

[glancingthefuture]

12. Good. Sexism is bad for all.

[TornadoTN]

16. That's hilarious - so they are advancing their cause by supporting a Token Vagina?

Wow, the PUMA's really know how to expose themselves for what they've really been all along.

[glancingthefuture]

69. Sexism needs to be called --If is NOT good for Democrats

to be engaging in and making sexist commments. That is NOT progressive.

[madfloridian]

102. Hillary did not lose because of sexism. She ran a very bad campaign.

That is not my opinion, there are the words of her own staff.

Sarah Palin...if you think attacks on her are about sexism, you need to think again. This lady is a full blown religious dominionist, the kind you don't dare let near your country.

[Der Blaue Engel]

21. LOL...that's so silly...we all know there's no such thing as sexism n/t

[gateley]

3. Ferraro needs to get a grip. Or a muzzle.

I think it's a valid criticism of Palin that she's nowhere NEAR the same league as Clinton. If this was about two men, nobody would give it a second thought. Ferraro harms us by crying wolf, IMO. If a legitimate sexist criticism does come along, people may not be listening any more.

[SuperTrouper]

4. WTF is wrong with Ferraro? I used to like her as my former Congresswoman?

She is such a disappointment

[SuperTrouper]

5. WTF is wrong with Ferraro? I used to like her as my former Congresswoman?

She is such a disappointment

[leftofcool]

6. Obama needs Hillary to defend him?

I don't think so.

[SuperTrouper]

8. No, he needs Hillary to blast Palin out of Minnesota

[leftofcool]

14. Biden should be doing this

[TornadoTN]

18. Normally, I agree - but she drew the comparison to Hillary herself, from her own mouth

Hillary could destroy that talking point very, very quickly with a nice little speech or perhaps a commercial. She could disavow that notion and drive the points home by appearing and speaking engagements as well.

Beyond that, yes, Biden needs to hammer her on the issues.

[4_Legs_Good]

26. Exactly. Palin is trying to ride on her coattails

And Hillary shouldn't let her do it.

David

[Midlodemocrat]

51. I agree. And, if Hillary nails her, the right can't scream

that the big bad men were mean to the Hookey Mum.

[MattBaggins]

19. No we need Hillary as well

Hillary should be doing it for herself and not just Obama. Sort of a "I know Hillary Clinton and this Lady is no Hillary Clinton". She should reach right out and yank that "glass ceiling" mantle right out of Palins hand.

[DevonRex]

36. All democrats will have a part in this election, including Hillary.

And there is NOBODY better qualified to present a startling contrast between Palin and a woman who is actually QUALIFIED and SANE ENOUGH to govern.

[SuperTrouper]

63. Well said!

[wyldwolf]

17. So Hillary should assume the VP candidate's role?

[MattBaggins]

23. If needed why not?

Palin is pretending to be her standard bearer. Hillary is the only one who could put a stop to that.

[wyldwolf]

29. if needed? Does that mean Biden isn't doing his job?

[MattBaggins]

35. It takes a village

Biden can do his job quite well but Palin using Hillary's name and only Hillary can effectively take her to the mat on that particular issue. There is nothing wrong with Hillary helping out and blasting Palin as a Faux Feminist. Sure Biden could say "I know Hillary Clinton and you ma'am are no Hillary"; but it would be no where near as effective as Hillary doing it herself.

Do you object to using the right tool for the job at hand?

[wyldwolf]

43. Where's Joe Biden?? Do you object to using the right tool for the job at hand?

[DevonRex]

44. Of course not. The democratic party is the party that supports

women and children all the way. And that is the contrast that Hillary can provide more than anyone else. Palin's family values are bullshit. She judges everyone else but doesn't want the same standards applied to herself.

[wyldwolf]

45. right, but this nutty assumption that Hillary has to be Obama's attack dog is just that - nutty!

[MattBaggins]

48. What does it have to do with being Obama's attack dog?

We have a lot of people in the Democratic Party. This is not just about Obama and Biden. I don't see this as being about her defending Obama as much as speaking up against someone trying to be her and pretending to be a feminist.

Hell I would argue that it should be Hillary's right and privilege to be given first dips in hitting Palin on her faux Neo-feminist shtick.

[wyldwolf]

50. demanding to know where Hillary is to respond to Palin? Biden's job.

[MattBaggins]

54. How bitter are you?

Not demanding anything, Hillary is still a welcome figure in this party and this is not just Biden's "job". Hillary Clinton is the best to take Palin on over this one particular issue and there is nothing wrong with asking her if she would address it.

You really need to give over your anger.

[wyldwolf]

57. how bitter are YOU ? And the "bitter" cliche should be retired. It's old.

You are demanding it, implying Clinton is obligated, expected to be the attack dog - which is Biden's job (the traditional job of a VP pick.)

[MattBaggins]

59. Ok I'll just let this go

I am not "demanding" anything. I guess I made the mistake of thinking we were a Democratic team working together to win the White House.

You are clearly someone still seething about the outcome so I will just try to call it a truce with you.

[wyldwolf]

62. "I guess I made the mistake of thinking..."

Why think Hillary exclusively should be going after Palin? Where's the similar calls for Kerry, Gore, Kucinich, or any number of others, including the man hired to do it, Biden?

The fact is, some here go one daily troll missions looking for something to be critical of Clinton about.

[SuperTrouper]

66. Nobody is criticizing Hillary, we are waiting for her to lead the attack against Faux Feminist Sarah

Obama may be the General and Biden may be the Colonel but Hillary is our Captain and she has a job to do and is eminently qualified to dismantle Sarah Nutcase.

[wyldwolf]

82. Excuse me, it isn't her job to lead the attack.

[Dr Fate]

93. I agree- its her job to do what the campaign asks of her.

If they ask her to be a leading voice in convincing women swing-voters to vote DEM, then I'm sure she will fight the fight.

This is the best way to frame this- Hillary will do what ever the campaign asks of her-and nothing less- no excuses in advance needed.

[MattBaggins]

68. I am calling for the others as well

I just feel that it is actually more of a slap in the face to Hillary to have a Neo-femininst trying to use her name than an attack on Obama. We are talking about one particular specific issue here that I don't think Hillary should be forced to speak out on. In fact I am arguing that it is her name being used and it is her right to defend that.

[wyldwolf]

81. where? Starting now?

[Dr Fate]

72. I agree-but the tradition has always been for the losing primary candidates to stump for the nom...

..and to continue to do what is asked of them by the campaign.

But you are right- Gore, Kerry and especially other Women DEMS, including Hillary need to be out there as a symbolic contrast to McCain/Failin.

We might disagree that it is soley Biden's job to take on Failin- I've never heard of campaign where attack surrogates (preferably ones w/ gravitas & media access) did not play a large role.

In any event, I'm assuming that Hillary will do what the campaign asks of her- and that her convention speech is a model of things to come.

[wyldwolf]

80. and she has, and is again starting Monday in Florida

[Dr Fate]

88. That's what I like to hear- assurances that she will continue...

...as opposed to comments that read like excuses in advance for why she shouldnt, or why she might not.

I'm glad you changed your mind and you now agree that Biden shouldnt be on his own after all- but that he should also be able to count on effective surrogates like Hillary.

Go get 'em DEMS!

[Nipper1959]

84. Hillary should do it

because she is in a unique position to torpedo Caribu Barbie. She said that she would do whatever it takes to get Obama elected. Time to step up and so her part for the democratic party!

[DevonRex]

She's not "his" anything. But she's a great democrat who can

easily show the contrast between that Palin woman and a woman who really knows her stuff and really cares about this country.

And Hillary WILL do that. She'll do it with grace and class and with a true command of the issues.

[wyldwolf]

55. who said she was?

:shrug:

[SuperTrouper]

24. No, she needs to defend her turf. When Obama is done in 2016, Biden will not run for Prez, so

Hillary will be our obvious standard bearer and now is the time to annihilate Caribou Sarah

[olkaz]

9. The op didn't say "need".

But Hillary is in quite a position to really, really endear herself to the party by going after Palin full-bore.

Seems like a win/win situation for her.

[Dr Fate]

11. No- but Top DEMS w/ gravitas should all be stumping hard for the nom.

I think that we need to have several top DEM women, including Hillary- who continue to come out in strong support of the nominee, and to speak out against Failin.

[glancingthefuture]

13. yes, all top dems--not just Hillary.

[Dr Fate]

40. Not just Hillary- but she has the popularity & gravitas to lead a charge...

...to keep women swing-voters on our side

Symbolically, she is one of the best DEMS to counter Palin's claim as the "the woman's candidate"

I dont think anyone ever suggested that Hillary be some lone voice speaking out against votes for McCain-now that McCain has a woman VP, it is important that Top Woman DEMS come out in full force.

We should all expect Hillary to do the right thing- at the least, to do what the campaign asks of her.

[glancingthefuture]

47. And she is doing just that.--she has more than stepped up to help

Sen. Obama

[Dr Fate]

49. "done"& "has" is not the same as "doing" and "will"- although I'm sure she will continue.

We agree that she did great at the convention- and hopefully we also agree that she should be attacking Palin on the issues- and making sure women voters know that Obama, not McCain, is the right choice for women.

I'm not sure why there are people on this board who almost seem to be arguing AGAINST a strong, popular DEM attacking the Republican candidates- very strange to me.

[Zenmaster]

31. HIllary needs to defend herself. Palin is insulting her

[DevonRex]

34. Of course he doesn't. But Hillary WILL have something important

to say about Palin at the right time. Her input will be considered, measured, and important. And it will be at the right time and place.

[juajen]

39. I don't think so, either. Obama doesn't need a woman to defend him.

He has been very clear about that.

[DevonRex]

42. It's not about defending Obama at all. It's about what real feminism is.

It's about what real family values are. It's about real issues and real people.

[graywarrior]

10. Doesn't the other party usually lay low til after the conventions are over?

[TornadoTN]

22. That's the theory and we have been - but look at our convention

It was filled with McCain and his ilk trying to keep his name in the news cycle.

[graywarrior]

25. True. But I volunteer in an Obama office in NH and their entire philosophy is

to stay above the fray and take the high road.

[onenote]

27. as anyone with the slightest familiarity with campaigns would know

When and how to use Hillary is being directed by Obama and his team.

[Arkansas Granny]

28. Hillary's appearances for Obama will be carefully coordinated with his campaign.

She will make her appearance or her remarks when Obama's campaign needs her to do so.

[writes3000]

30. SANITY! Thank you. Much appreciated. nt

[DevonRex]

33. Absolutely. And OMG, what a glorious contrast she will be to

that nutcase Palin.

[DevonRex]

32. Hillary will come out with a really good response about Palin

after she has had time to gather all the information she needs. She will do it in a calm, restrained manner that is befitting a Senator and it will be DEVASTATING to the lightweight, batshit crazy Palin.

[SuperTrouper]

37. I hope so.

[MattBaggins]

38. Well stated

There is no need to jump the gun. Let Palin continue to make a fool of herself and when she is off balance let Hillary pull the Neo-feminist rug out from under her. Hillary is the best choice for that task and will do it with ease.

[wyldwolf]

46. Hillary - some of you can't live with her and, apparently, can't live without her

[MattBaggins]

52. The primaries are over let it go now.

The rest of us are united and will welcome Hillary giving Palin a smack down for trying to use her name.

Are you really that bitter that you want to see Hillary ignore this issue out of spite?

[wyldwolf]

53. LOL! Oh, the IRONY!!! YOU let go of the primaries

[Dr Fate]

56. So long as she does what the campaign asks of her, there shouldnt be a problem.

I wouldnt know what they are asking of her at this point- but I expect she will come out strong against the McCain ticket several more times b/t now & Nov.

Maybe the calls for Hillary to attack McCain post DEM convention are premature- I would imagine that letting Palin beat her to the punch in the executive branch is the last thing she wants...

What is strange to me is the vague suggestions (not from you) on this thread and others that a Top DEM with media access shouldnt be doing everything they can to fight for the nom...

I've never heard "it is soley the candidate's job to attack" type talk before. In every other election, the candidates do indeed rely on attacks by surrogates to a large degree.

But you are right- DEMS do count on Hillary and other DEMS they dont always agree with to get their back when it comes to the big picture...

[ronnykmarshall]

61. And when she does speak up ...

"SHE'S TRYING TO UNDER MIND THE CAMPAIGN"

"SHE'S ONLY DOING THIS FOR HERSELF"

[wyldwolf]

64. exactly.

[DevonRex]

65. Enough with the shit stirring. nt

[Dr Fate]

67. A majority accused of her of undermining the campaign after her Convention speech? I didnt see that.

I mostly heard universal praise from DEMS across the board. Maybe DEMS should expect more of the same- I think it would be great.

I'm wondering why DEMS would be making excuses or arguments for why she shouldnt do all that the campaign asks of her- I'm assuming at this point that she would.

[glancingthefuture]

70. You were not reading DU is you didn't see it.

[Dr Fate]

76. I saw mostly praise for Hillary's convention speech here at DU & elsewhere.

You have 156 posts, I've been posting since early 2002- so dont tell me what I did & didnt see at DU.

I saw a remarkable number of people who opposed Hillary in the primaries praising her speech & support- and we want more of the same.

[glancingthefuture]

97. then you are I were looking and reading different pages. Have a good day.

[Dr Fate]

98. You may have seen a tiny minority of hold-over Clinton Bashers that day- I'll give you that.

If people really thought Hillary was not effective that day, they wouldnt be calling for her to continue.

The notion that DEMS want Hillary to help Obama shore in women swing-voters just so they can continue to counter her like during the primary battles is silly...

I hope you have a good day too.

[pecwae]

79. There's always

"She isn't sincere enough" or "She is too tepid in her support".

[Dr Fate]

83. Yet Hillary proved them wrong during the convention.

I see a lot of DEMS in this thread who seem to be asking for more of the same that they saw that night. In contrast, I see other voices on this thread who are leaning towards excuses for why she shouldnt.

It's strange to hear excuses for why she shouldnt do all the campaign asks of her- just because a few people might scrutinize her sincerity.

It's also strange to hear of this brand new notion that the candidates, including the VP, should not rely on attack surrogates to a certain degree- as is the tradition.

I appreciate the voices on this thread who are assuming (as I am) that Hillary will do all that is asked of her. I'm confused by the posts that seem to be making excuses in advance for why she might not.

[Marrah_G]

71. Hillary is doing what Obama's campaign wants her to. Please lay off.

[cboy4]

73. Hillary is not the only female with power in politics.

Where are some of the other women?

[MattBaggins]

89. Let me try saying it slowly

Palin... is... using... Hillary's... name... and... legacy...

[cboy4]

100. Don't be a smart ass Matt.

Jeeez.

[MattBaggins]

103. Let me apologize

I was a bit testy after being excused of demanding that Hillary crawl around on her knees for the Obama campaign.

[endelfam]

74. I expect her to come weighing in soon enough....

when she finds the right time and occasion. She is the one spokesperson who can comfortably put on the heavy gloves. It will be very difficult for them to accuse her of "sexism". She must be sickened to think that this flyweight could end up in the WH.

[endelfam]

75. I expect her to come weighing in soon enough....

when she finds the right time and occasion. She is the one spokesperson who can comfortably put on the heavy gloves. It will be very difficult for them to accuse her of "sexism". She must be sickened to think that this flyweight could end up in the WH.

[Maven]

77. That's two trollish posts today trying to stir up Obama/Clinton shit.

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[DevonRex]

87. The anti-Hillary stuff is not helpful. We are a united party. nt

[Forkboy]

86. Funny thread.

In a "keep them all away from sharp objects" type of way.

[David Zephyr]

90. It would make Obama look weak. He has to fight his own battles.

What on earth can Hillary do?

Bringing Hillary back on stage now undercuts Obama.

I wanted her on the ticket as VP because I knew McCain would pick a woman if Obama didn't choose Hillary (see my journal).

Well, that is ancient history. And we're better off just letting it go.

We have to work with what we have and the last thing Barack needs is to have Hillary fighting for him now. It just conjurs up too much and McCain and Palin will ridicule it.

Obama and Biden are bright enough to defend themselves. And they will do a good job.

[Dr Fate]

92. I agree with some of what you said- but havent DEMS always acted as surrogates for the nominees?

I dont remember anyone saying that Dean shouldnt attack Bush/Cheney for Kerry, for example.

When Clinton won 2 terms in a row- SCORES of DEM senators, congressmen and others stumped for them and attacked the GOP ont his behalf- did that make him look weak? They also acted as surrogates for him while he was being impeached.

Where did this brand new notion that top DEMS with gravitias are not supposed to speak out against Republicans who are attacking DEMS and DEM issues?

This notion that Biden & Obama are somehow on their own, and that surrogates have no place is new to me.

Having said that- I'm sure we agree that Hillary will do whatever the campaign asks of her- if they ask her to stay quiet, then I think that is a mistake, personaly...

[David Zephyr]

99. It is a matter of timing.

I don't disagree with anything you wrote and I like Roberto1223 way too much to argue, but at this moment, the last thing I want to see is Hillary back in the limelight which brings Bill back into the limelight all over again.

The Clinton's are not just surrogates, they suck up all the oxygen whenever they appear.

Hillary, probably more than anyone in America, is not happy with Palin jumping on a bandwagon that she never helped even exist and whose policies are anathema to Hillary.

[AlinPA]

94. Hillary is going to come out smoking and kick some republican ass. Hillary

will make Palin look like a jerk. (For those of you who know of my posts, I was P.O'd at Hillary during the primary) but now see her as a fighter for our side. Give her some time to load her cannons.

[Dr Fate]

96. INDEED!

That is the kind of talk I'd love to hear from those who DID support her during the primary-as opposed to some of these tepid assurances and excuses in advance(at least that is what some of them read like-my apologies in advance if I am misreading)

I'm sticking with what YOU said!!!

All in all, we should all fully expect Hillary and any other DEM to do what the campaign asks of them- no excuses or "buts" need apply.

[anigbrowl]

95. Strategy folks. She'll hit Palin when the time is right

I was an ardent supporter of Obama in the primaries and did NOT think that Hillary was the right choice to lead the party or country at this time. But (as I said back then) she gave Obama a run for his money and made him earn every vote - good practise for the general election. She showed dignity, grace and integrity at the convention and I have no doubt that she'll get her lumps in on Palin at the appropriate time.

Bear in mind that the Obama campaign does not want to frame Hillary as the 'token woman' either. Obama and Biden need to be allowed to lead as they see fit. I suspect the campaign is waiting for Palin to compare herself to Hillary in some bid for the PUMA vote, at which point Hillary will toast her like a marshmallow.