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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:16 AM Original message |
Seinfeld, Friends, The West Wing: Why AFFIRMATIVE ACTION is still necessary. |
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The Deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. And There Are Some Very Fine Black Character Actors |
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RethugAssKicker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
2. Its more serious than just inclusion... This effectively keeps black |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I agree that it is OFTEN intentional. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. "American Dreams" had several leading black actors |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. Cosby for 8 years. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. Perhaps I'm mistaken... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. That's not the point... it doesn't OCCUR to whites.... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I thought THE POINT was, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. the POINT was that white people don't even NOTICE the absence |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That's not how I read it... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. WHATEVER |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. It's not a revelation... It just seems to be secondary |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Obviously, to answer your question, you don't care. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. And that's the real issue isn't it... |
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Dick Diver (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
6. Typically, I think most "works of art" -- |
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RethugAssKicker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Are you suggesting nothing be done.?.. Do we just continue |
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Dick Diver (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
56. What I'm suggesting we NOT do is... |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
7. Yes, and Oliver Stone's "9/11" really took the cake on this. |
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O.M.B.inOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Now, I did hear that there was a racially ambitious scene in that |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
8. So you are saying Writers and Directors should be forced |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I'm saying, many have to be forced to THINK about it. |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Whose mind is closed? |
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Dick Diver (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. So, what you're saying is that we should "re-educate" them |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. No, but a public airwaves censor might cut |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. See right there I'm not on your side |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. racewise |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Interesting that the raceof the lead actors is as or more significant to you |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
48. geez, apologists for ? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. And so to you the entire content of the show is negligible and it's |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Have you ever even watched the west wing? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. My point about the West Wing was that the pilot of this show, about a liberal |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. THey had a black character in the second episode |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Well, bush has quite a few blacks in powerful positions (west wing...) |
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O.M.B.inOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
9. I find this insidious, too. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
10. I wonder who confronted the Nip/Tuck writers? |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I never heard of any group getting on Nip/Tuck's case. |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
13. TV shows are advertising...they want to sell stuff to White People... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
14. Affirmative action has nothing to |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
16. In Hollywood, it's the default problem... |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. Maybe, just maybe..... |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
22. You're facts about the West Wing are completely incorrect. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. It's true theOP's facts are incorrect. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, National Security Advisor |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. I know. But they're not major characters. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Nancy McNally and Admiral Fitzwallace are secondary cast, but... |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
54. I said THE PILOT. |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 04:28 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Still incorrect |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Don't forget the Black woman who was National Security Advisor |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Nancy McNally |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Thank you |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
27. Bigotry or timidity? |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
34. I'd be extremely wary of forcing people who make entertainment and art to do anything. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. What is this paranoia about "force" lately?? |
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Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. So you don't want directors to be obliged to do anything? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Deleted message |
Taxloss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. There's no call for that. |
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hsher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I work in entertainment production and I agree with you |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. Speaking of black characters in shows, that character Elaine |
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Ravenseye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
45. Disagree |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
57. Don't forget The Daily Show |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
59. Look At Me, I'm So Liberal & Unbiased (sarcasm) |
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KitSileya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. Interesting... |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
61. I never watched "The West Wing"... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 05:09 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. It didn't, but the reason is because the Pilot really takes place over 3 episodes |
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greenbriar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
62. Um...Charlie (Dule Hill) was in the pilot of WW and was there in the entirety |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 04:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. He was actually introduced in Episode 3 |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
64. Actually, I can think of another instance... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 05:04 AM Response to Original message |
66. The West Wing didn't have any black actors in the pilot because Sorkin introduced the characters... |
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