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Mon Apr-03-06 03:39 PM
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So what is the latest with the Church of Christ husband killer? n/t |
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Mon Apr-03-06 03:42 PM
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1. They're keeping it all very, very quiet |
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and that generally means there's one hell of a scandal they're trying to cover up.
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Mon Apr-03-06 03:46 PM
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he molested his daughters.
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Mon Apr-03-06 03:57 PM
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3. That was my very first thought on this when it happened. nt |
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:04 PM
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6. My first thought too... |
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police were quick to say they knew why there was a murder but would not give the reasons. There are few reasons why a woman (esp one in a church) would kill her hubby and children in danger would be one. Should be interesting....
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Mon Apr-03-06 03:58 PM
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she molested their daughters and he caught her at it.
Oops, sorry. Forgot that it's mandatory to pre-judge men.
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:03 PM
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was having an affair, and he caught her.
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:10 PM
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8. Something about this on TV last night |
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Can't remember what channel. Just thumbing through trying to find something interesting to watch. Church is saying not to judge this woman. That tells me that something smells like a rat here. I'll put my money on him molesting the kids.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:39 PM
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did commit murder. That might be what they were talkiing about.
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Tue Apr-04-06 08:39 AM
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38. Puh-leeze. At least try going with probability. |
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Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 08:42 AM by WinkyDink
A MOTHER molested her DAUGHTERS. Very common.
Then there's the "I want another man, but I also want to take my kids, and then flee, so the boyfriend can't find me" homicide. Yep.
BTW: There are degrees of homicide. "First-degree murder" is just one of them.
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Tue Apr-04-06 12:40 PM
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Probability has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with a specific case.
Just don't like to see the male-bashing that is so common around here.
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Tue Apr-04-06 12:44 PM
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Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 12:45 PM by raccoon
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:09 PM
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7. Pre-judging fundie preachers. |
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:11 PM
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but the stats are that the man is more likely to molest, not to say it doesn't happen in Mom's (Sybil is a famous case in point). Let's put it this way, the protective Mother's instinct is not a myth.
If it were my daughter molested-I would have no trouble pulling a trigger on hubby or anyone else. Would probably set it up so he would be good and dead.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:42 PM
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Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 07:10 PM by Burning Water
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:48 PM
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25. What an irresponsible response. |
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Great - molested, with one parent in jail and one shot dead by the other.
Sometimes I can't tell if I'm on DU or accidentally landed on FR.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:55 PM
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:58 PM
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31. I'm responding to what a poster said she would do, not saying that's |
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what happened in this case.
Try reading the damn thread.
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Mon Apr-03-06 07:04 PM
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I mistook which post you were responding to. My apologies.
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Mon Apr-03-06 07:11 PM
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35. It's okay. And I apologize for saying "read the damn thread". |
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I could have been nicer.
:-)
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Tue Apr-04-06 10:52 AM
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My daughter would never be molested by her dad again. And no, I am not a freeper but I am a very protective Mom.
The one case that I have direct knowlege of an incident like this (Mom killing Dad) happening, the daughter reconciled with her Mom and was glad the abuse stopped. And Mom? You can bear any time in prison or even death if you know your child is safe-and she is. Dad shouldn't have done it and was clearly the criminal and deserved what he got. No sympathy from me. I save my sympathy for the mom and child.
Of course it would be nice if the law could handle these things and you were guarenteed it would never happen again, but I am here to tell you from both first and close aquaintence's experience, that the law doesn't always work. Moms can be portrayed as 'poisoning the child' and crazy, esp if the Dad has resources. And do you really want to risk the abuser getting custody? It's happened.
A mother's urge to protect her young can be a powerful force. A woman that has dealt with years of abuse will generally take a stand when the abuse becomes directed at the children for example.
Who knows what brought about this incident. It is a sad thing for everyone.
Flame away but then, moms can take it.
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Tue Apr-04-06 12:43 PM
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44. I'd still say it's an emotional response that ignores the child's |
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long term needs. In other words, it is NOT protective.
Killing one parents and having the other in jail is a really really lousy set up for any kid.
If I found the law ultimately could not protect my kids I might take extra-legal action (like leaving the country). But I'd always act with an eye on what's best for my kids, not what's my feeling.
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Tue Apr-04-06 12:45 PM
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she was right to shoot him.
And the state is right to prosecute and punish her for it.
She made a moral decision, and now has to bear the consequences, as she should.
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:40 PM
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Kind of a "woman bites dog" story.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:43 PM
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Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 07:11 PM by Burning Water
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:59 PM
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14. I don't like male bashing either |
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but how many women molest their children?
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Mon Apr-03-06 05:32 PM
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16. a lot more than commonly thought |
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there was a good article in media the past two weeks about it, but danged if I remember where I read it
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:27 PM
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19. Wasn't aware that there was data on this |
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post a link if you find it please. What a sick planet.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:41 PM
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Here is one article that discusses the issue. I'm not going to say they prove anything, but the information is useful and timely. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-29-women-sex-crimes_x.htm
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:51 PM
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Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 06:54 PM by malaise
but these women are not the mothers of these kids they abused. I am looking for dat about mothers molesting their children.
Edit - add reply.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:53 PM
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28. you're welcome. There's another one out there, newer, better ... |
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Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 06:54 PM by Neil Lisst
but I read so much news online, while watching it on tv, too - remembering where I read something these days is a problem.
You know, when you pick up a magazine or a newspaper, you remember what you were reading better because your body saw and felt it, registered it's name and look better.
Hell, online you can barely tell the difference between any of the news channels' sites.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:55 PM
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29. The problem is that while these |
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women are molesting other people's children, there is nothing suggesting they are or were molesting their own children.
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Mon Apr-03-06 07:05 PM
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33. well, I think even with recent trends, it's still a male on kids phenom |
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much more than women on kids.
I haven't read anything that made me think "ah, now this is clearing the issue up with real data."
It's mainly anecdotal and inferential suppositions.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:44 PM
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How do you know it was molestation? I haven't heard anything yet, but I've been at work all day.
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:49 PM
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26. to me it's a conundrum |
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The woman who is evil enough to shoot her husband in the back, is evil enough to know she needs a good cover story to save her ass and rationalize her murdering him.
On the other hand, the woman who is abused by her husband and who finds him abusing their children might explode and commit manslaughter or murder two.
I'm going to have a real problem with allegations of his abuse if there is no really good physical evidence which supports it.
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:14 PM
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She is claiming mental duress.
Wonder how that would work out if it was a MAN who killed his wife
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Tue Apr-04-06 08:44 AM
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:27 PM
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11. Could be child molestation |
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Or he gave her an STD. Or he said something anti-*.
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Mon Apr-03-06 04:56 PM
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13. My guess is abuse. Could be of the daughters or it could be her. |
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I gather from all her supporters that they think she had a substantial reason.
Unlike the "Christian right" I hate to pass judgment on anything, especially without anything to go on but it looks as if something was definitely going on.
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Mon Apr-03-06 05:03 PM
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15. Why don't we just wait for the evidence to come out? |
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Why keep speculating on something we know nothing about? The truth (or some version of it) will come out at trial...lets just wait until then.
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Tue Apr-04-06 08:00 AM
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40. Why should we? We speculate on Fitzgerald's work, don't we? |
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Mon Apr-03-06 05:39 PM
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17. She's Still A Selfish Cold Blooded Murderer. I'll Let You Know If I Hear |
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anything else. LOL
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Mon Apr-03-06 06:02 PM
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18. While I recognize there can be extenuating circumstances ... |
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... it's still not right.
I'm a parent, and I can't imagine anything the mother of my children could do that would cause me to kill her. Nothing. I don't care how heinous her acts might be. Because she is the mother of my children, and I cannot kill her without killing part of them, forever.
If a spouse has done wrong, deal with that wrong. Killing ain't right.
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Mon Apr-03-06 07:08 PM
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34. another soap opera? tune in to your favorite Cable channel Fox, or MSNBC |
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Mon Apr-03-06 08:21 PM
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36. another approach to defending the case |
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There is a small, but significant number of people who take anti-depressants who become homicidal. It's the kind of defense people don't want to acknowledge, but I'm convinced it's real.
Every drug has the potential to affect a small number in ways that may seem inexplicable or even unlikely. But any drug that can affect your mood swings is acting on your brain, which is told what to do by chemical and eletrical triggers.
I don't know if she was on anti-depressants, but any time a young person inexplicably kills like this, I wonder if anti-depressants might be involved. The industry puts a lot of money into saying it ain't so, but there are too many cases of 10 and 12 and 14 year olds on anti-depressants who kill, and who say they've become crazy on the drugs.
Most the stories do not get national coverage because of big Pharm, but look for them in your local newspapers.
Look at the contraindications for antidepressants sometime, though. I'm sure they do a lot of good, but so do peanuts, and they kill whoever is allergic to them.
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Tue Apr-04-06 08:52 AM
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41. the more I watch this, the more I think it may be anti depressants |
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and their impact on a select few who take them
If she was on them, there's no telling what her reality was at the moment she shot him. See my above post, but given the fact she's 31, has three kids, and her mother died last year, it's not a stretch to think she might be on antidepressants.
I believe a very few people are drastically affected in a negative way, and become either homicidal or suicidal. She could have been there. She does not look mentally well to me, at all.
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Tue Apr-04-06 12:52 PM
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47. Why the hell do you even care? |
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I sure as hell don't. Yeah, it's sad, it's tragic, but it had no bearing on my life whatsoever. Your eagerness to "find out what happened" will only breathe life into an endless stream of "investigative coverage" by the likes of Dan Abrams, Nancy Grace, and Rocky-The-Squirrel (Rita Cosby). Who the hell needs that? Why do we feel so compelled to ambulance chase in this culture? Oy vey.
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