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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:24 PM Original message |
Vegetarian diet best for combatting global warming? |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. Great post. thanks! |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R -- get your flamesuit on, though. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. ... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I'm not sure that would solve everything. Raising cattle and using the grains to feed |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Pastured beef is often raised on land unsuitable for crops. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. pasture raised means NOT using grain |
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VLC (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
38. You're a cattle rancher. Perhaps you are biased. |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. well duh, of course I am biased, |
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VLC (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Then why did you not disclose that info as a qualification? |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I need to give my CV to post on the internets? I make no secret of my life- |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
81. Well, I'm not a cattle rancher |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. I have heard that growing rice has a negative effect. You know any thing |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. The problem with rice... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I found this from the BBC. It's methane |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. I agree with "MN"'s comments |
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anniebelle (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm convinced. |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. I agree. We don't really need adhesives. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. I remember reading "Diet for a Small Planet" in the 70's |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. K&R |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. sigh |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Did it ever occur to you that the land that grain is grown on could be used for other purposes? |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Maybe you need some more animal protein in your diet. |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 07:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. I can read just fine thank you, now stop with the personal attacks |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #59 |
77. that may have been snarky but it was hardly a personal attack |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. I wonder how much benefit there is with commercially grown, trucked-in veggies |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. That is part of it too. More so as we begin to face diminishing oil supplies. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Most animals raised for food are eating distantly grown, trucked in feed. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Which is why I was careful to say locally & grass fed |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Which isn't doable |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. you always lump small, local production with mass production |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Sure, some plopulation centers have cheap land nearby, but most do not. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Marin Sun Farms is doing some wonderful work with their sustainably raise beef |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 08:37 AM Response to Reply #36 |
62. But is there any way to raise anywhere near enough? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Of course not |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #62 |
76. what a great oportunity for more local business |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
11. Beef is a huge environmental disaster, and not a healthy food either. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. The solution is hidden deep within your post. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I don't think that is feasible at the current rate of consumption. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The OP is about everyone becoming vegetarians -- |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. Yes, but you were responding to me and I stated in my post I'm not a vegetarian |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. Three acres of grain tastes terrible with a baked potato. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
19. These studies are missing out on one important factor |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Sure but... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. Well, those are indeed the problems |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. yep |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. No grain at all is required to produce beef. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. But that doesn't mean it isn't used. |
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12string (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
23. After reading every post in this discussion |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
30. I don't know - Ted Nugent says tofu kills |
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Bjorn Against (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Just when you think he couldn't get any dumber... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
37. This Silly Stuff Again? |
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VLC (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. There wouldn't be fewer cows if more people quit eating them? |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Well, you're flat out wrong. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. No Thanks. I Think I Still Want My Steak. |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Right, but the problem is you're not thinking about this on a global level |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Ummm... |
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slowry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR n/t |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #37 |
63. Sounds like a desperate heart surgeon looking for some work. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
39. of course it is |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
41. It's absolutely true. American meat eaters are responsible for 1.5 more tons of carbon dioxide... |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
51. the majority of the amercian diet, calorie-wise, is saturated fat and |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Yea..this isn't about those late 80's changes in behavior things... |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 11:01 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Also you could take the same facts and advocate a totally different action |
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WindRavenX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. lol |
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2bfree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
56. Thanks for sharing. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
60. Absolutely correct... |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
61. Cargill, Archer Daniels Midland pays for a lot of the anti-meat research |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Oh sweet Jesus, not the Weston A. price quacks. |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I agree that there is some questionable research on the Price website |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. AllieB you bring up a good point about chemicals and farming. |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Also Agribusiness was instrumental in changing the Food Pyramid |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. There has been no change in the USDA food pyramid |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
67. This is my favorite "yabbut" topic on DU. |
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Colorado Progressive (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. its amazing that anyone fails to get the supply and demand concept |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. And yet, if you scroll up a bit you'll see such "silliness" |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. Yep. Heads buried neck deep in sand, many people would rather |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
72. not breeding is also very good for the environment, yet we hardly hear about that. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Hillary eats babies. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. we should all do our part. over population is a huge problem. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
78. Good thing we killed all those buffalo herds, wannit? |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
79. K&R |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
80. Diet for a Small Planet. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
82. This is one of the reasons I cut beef out of my diet 11 years ago |
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