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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:58 AM Original message |
Is Sibel Edmonds credible? |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. Seeing that she wasn't an eye witness, only a translator of info.. perhaps |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Or perhaps the people she was listening to KNEW they were under surveillance... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Do you think she spends much time translating these days? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
70. According to her '60 Minutes' interview.... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. if she is just repeating what she heard, |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
150. Because maybe she misspoke the first time? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #150 |
169. You forgot to mention the biggest reason of all |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. You are correct as I understand her comments |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Good point |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
78. Why does Sen. Grassley think she is credible? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Sometimes I think people are being purposely obtuse and willfully ignorant |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
109. Please see my post #79 and the '60 Minutes' interview which covered her initial claims... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. The IG's comparison to Hanssen is an excellent point. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:23 PM Response to Reply #109 |
170. Your comprehension skills are a testament to willfull ignorance!!! |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #170 |
183. If you don't believe me, then I'll let the IG report speak for itself... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:34 AM Response to Reply #183 |
188. I sincerely hope all fair minded readers understand that your "proof" |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. Vinnie please calm down and understand the context of what I was responding to... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #109 |
176. Blah Blah Blah |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #176 |
186. My God, talk about willfull ignorance!! |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #186 |
189. I am simply astonished that you think that fair minded people will be fooled by your post |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #189 |
191. I'm not ashamed, I'm embarassed for you... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #85 |
139. And how do YOU know what were in those "initial" claims any more than we do! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
4. I have my doubts and I've long had them when it comes to Edmonds |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. She's testified to some congresional staff; and apparently, its not all unfounded. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. put down the crystal ball |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. That Fact, Ma'am, Is Generally Over-Looked Here |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Exactly - nt |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
79. Sir, you would do us a favor not to gloss over so many details.... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. You have, Sir, Read the Report In Question? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Undoubtedly... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. The Key Element is This, Sir |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #112 |
120. My points are... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. You Are Going Farther Than The Evidence Supports, Sir |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Hilarious. I love this line, Sir. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Apples And Oranges, Sir, But You Knew That |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. Perhaps, but your statement re Hastert still makes me chuckle. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Children Are Born Lawyers, Sir.... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #131 |
184. I find people like you quite pathetic and selfish beyond measure |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #184 |
206. If she DID have evidence then she'd have broken the law... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #123 |
134. In relation to Hastert and Harman... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
140. It doesn't? Have you read the latest American Conservative article? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #140 |
151. More on Turkish Deep State corruption here... |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
5. Sibel is telling us what she heard as she remembers it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Nonesense, Ma'am: Nothing Ridiculous About Rep. Schakowski's Rebuttal To Ms. Edmonds |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Schakowsky is only attacking. And she's refusing to tell the American people what's going on here. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. that's absurd. Schakowsky didn't attack Edmonds. She simply |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. She likened her to Birthers and people who tout 9/11 conspiracies. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. +1 |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. Not only did she attack Edmonds, but also The Brad Blog. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. come on, |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
105. First, you do not know what is fiction or what is not. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
142. She claims there is evidence but that it is not available as one would expect with the FBI... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Do Not Mistake Yourself, Ma'am, for 'The American People' |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. You see me as anti-American because I'm not a tool of the Democratic Party. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Is there A Hand-Book Out There, Ma'am, Recommending Use Of the Word 'Projecting' At Intervals? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Okay then, let's cover it: Why did you question my Americanism? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. The Statement, Ma'am, was that you Should Not Mistake Yourself For The American People |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. So you're saying I'm anti-American simply based on the fact that I want to know the truth? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. My Statement, Ma'am, Is Simply that You Are Hardly Typical Of 'The American People'.... |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I sure hope I'm not typical of the American people. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Well, There You Go, Ma'am: We Agree After All.... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
144. I think if all folks who support Sibel only wanted to look for "phantasms of scandal"... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
81. Sir, once again you are glossing over some very relevent facts.. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. You, Sir, are Ignoring the Content Of Ms. Edmonds' Claims |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
110. Who is Jan Harland? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #110 |
122. oops, yes when I say Jan and I mean Jane... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
46. She's being asked, without evidence to the contrary, |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I haven't accepted anything Sibel's said (translated) as fact. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. And How Do You Do that, Ma'am? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Because Schakowsky is refusing to talk about it. She's only attacking. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. There Is Nothing To Talk About, Ma'am: Ms. Edmonds Made False Statements Concerning Her |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. So what are you saying? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Given Obvious Factual Misstatements, Ma'am, There Is No Reason To Believe Ms. Edmonds In This Matter |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Great. Let's ask Schakowsky if she has any idea how this all started. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. If It Were Me, Ma'am, My Reply Would Be 'Pound Sand!', Or Something Similar |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I expect more than you when it comes to elected officials. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
175. Yeah I assumed as much |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
179. OR, |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #179 |
193. You're insane. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
141. It was an "emotional response" but not a tactful one... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. garbage. Schakowsky denied Sibel';s evidence free allegations |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
11. Try reading 20 trial transcripts and summarizing "what happened" |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. That can't be correct. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Think about the way people communicate. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Then You Think, Ma'am, President Obama Should urge Full Inquiry Into Larry Sinclair's Allegations? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Geez, how did Obama get into your little world of strawman denial? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. That The Categorical Identity Of the Situations, Ma'am, Goes Over Your Head Is No Surprise |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Are you just posting random words now? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Has Larry Sinclair specified where the files of a suppressed FBI investigation are to be found? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Opening Files Would Not Bother Me, Sir |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Go ahead, "disappoint" me! I want the truth, not my own wishes. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Is a total release of documents referenced by Edmonds the ONLY thing that |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Is a total redaction of the "released" documents acceptable? Is that your position? (SEE POST 65). |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. If She Made And Kept Notes About Classified Material, Sir |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Nice Catch-22 there. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. It's A Helluva Catch, Sir, That Catch-22 |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Your observations are very astute and they do reflect |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
145. Hmm.. Maybe if it is shown that Marc Grossman did expose Brewster Jennings... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
60. don't be deliberately obtuse |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Sibel clearly doesn't know and is trying to find out. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. Now That, Ma'am, Takes The Mustard, and No Mistake |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Schakowsky says the details about the funeral and townhouse are false. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. Those Are the Story, Ma'am: there Is Nothing Else To tell, Let alone Refute |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. I love deductive reasoning. n/t |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
147. So are you saying that blackmail was *impossible* if it wasn't done in DC or it wasn't her mother... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. Of course she has extensive knowledge of what is going on... |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Because they know it's true? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
111. Even EDMONDS doesn't claim that Schakowsky was being blackmailed... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
15. Since Mrs. Edmonds is a member here on DU... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Since Neither Exposure Nor Money is To Be Had By Doing So, Sir, You Will Likely have a Long Wait.... |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Couched in pompous language or not, that is an offensive statement. nt |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Ms. Edmonds Has Made a Career Out Of This, Sir: If Stating That Offends You, So Be It |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. It is the suggestion of monetary profit that not only offends me, but I have seen no evidence of. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. In Her Recent Deposition, Sir |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Soliciting funds for help in her efforts is thin evidence of your claims. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Perhaps, Sir, the Fish Simply Are Not Biting So Well as Hoped.... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
77. and not every speculative statement is true |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Indeed, Sir: there Are Exceptions To Every Generalization, Including This One |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
96. Sir, you too are venturing down the rabbit hole of fantasyland.. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. If You Dismiss Monetary Motives, Sir, It May Be You "Down The Rabbit-Hole To Fantasy-Land" |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #101 |
158. And therefore we should dismiss all that critiqued Bush and Cheney (Clarke, McClellan, etc.) |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
173. Are you really that willfully ignorant? |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. So do you support a full investigation of her claims? nt |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
180. I think Edmonds should declare what type of investigation would satisfy her |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
75. What is her user name? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
104. Her user name is "showmethemoney" |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
118. I think it's ... |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
132. statesecrets nt |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
21. Yeah, compartmentalization is missing from her world. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. I have also brought up this point as well |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
194. Context is everything... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
172. Isn't AMAZING that not ONE of the Edmonds zealots has addressed this point |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
26. Simply "yes." eom |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
31. I wouldn't apply any standard to someone you are not willing |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
32. Another reflexive hit-piece on Edmonds? Click here for a different view. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. I have thought about your previous posts and have a few observations |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
65. Your speculative future scenario is entirely inconsistent with her actions until now. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. So anything less than a public release of documents is unacceptable? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. They should arrest her. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. So, your position is a complete release of unredacted documents is the only way. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
106. You're setting up a strawman. As a pure hypothetical, your question is absurd. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. I am simply asking you general question about |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. And I answered it. Now will you answer the question about Post 65? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #115 |
177. You answered nothing!!!!!! |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. A few additionnal observations on your latest post |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Are you happy with the style of "declassification" described in post 65? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. Is there anyone or any body on the planet you would trust to examine |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. Strawman. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. LOL! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Not what I said, which you can figure out. Answer the Post 65 question, please. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #116 |
178. Why should I have to "figure out" anything?????? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #178 |
201. Figuring out in this case is synonymous with "read." |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
90. Whether there should be an investigation |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
94. Well I look at it this way if she was not credible..then why the smear campaign |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Why do you confuse rational, critical thought with a smear campaign? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Why point out inconsistencies in a story when you can just tell the story? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #103 |
181. So I accuse you of having sexual relations with a goat |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #181 |
207. Hmm... I'd ask. Oh you say that there's an FBI document ID on this? Let's see it and see the proof |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. What Smear Campaign, Ma'am? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #100 |
121. Okay having to answer to your post is scary enough but here goes.... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Without the Name, Ma'am, It Was Hardly Possible To assess The Validity Of those Claims |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #125 |
136. as far as I am aware Ms Edmond's testimony comes from "reports" |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #125 |
204. Does a former FBI Counterintelligence and Counterespionage Manager help? |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #121 |
208. Yes, Aunt Patsy. Media runs with ravings of Congresscritters against Clinton, |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
124. The smear campaign was initiated by Schakowsky herself... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Nonesense, Sir: Ms. Edmonds Smeared Rep. Shakowsky, Who Fired Back Forcefully And Appropriately |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
117. Exactly, you'd think this ONE democratic representative ID'd was a family member ... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #117 |
127. Are We Not, Ma'am, All Sisters And Brothers? |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
129. Yes. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
135. She had the state secrets privilege invoked on her in all previous court attempts, |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Everyone knows that she was privy to classified information, |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #137 |
148. Because it was unclassified at the time. It was the first time |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:31 PM Response to Original message |
138. Rational discussion |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #138 |
152. I'm sorry. I thought the title of your OP was "Is Sibel Edmonds Credible?". |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #152 |
199. The post you are replying to wasn't directed at you. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #138 |
154. A prosecutor doesn't have to "admit" that there are flaws in evidence for an indictment... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #154 |
198. To say I am smearing her is, of course, ridiculous. |
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Budgies Revenge (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
143. The problem that's arisen from the Schakowsky allegations |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #143 |
155. The Blackmail allegation has NOT been refuted by evidence! |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. She undermines her own attempt to get an investigation |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. We don't KNOW that it was an error of WHAT SHE HEARD! |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. You are missing the point. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #162 |
167. Deleted message |
Budgies Revenge (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #155 |
165. I wasn't talking about the blackmail |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. But the point is, "Did she KNOWINGLY misrepresent facts", or misinterpret them or get wrong info.. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
146. Much more so than an anonymous internet poster. I'll tell you what.. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
149. Yes. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 06:22 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. no. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #153 |
156. So I guess you are saying that the evidence that she points to doesn't exist or has been destroyed? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. no, I'm saying there's no corroboration or evidence |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Then you should be MORE interested in tracking down that evidence and corroborating it... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. I haven't smeared her. Just because I don't see her as some oracle |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
164. Can we get Sibel out |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. no |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #168 |
197. That is your claim ,that her |
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Gwereeya (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
171. Okay, you go ME confused! |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #171 |
174. Because there is no proof for starters |
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Gwereeya (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #174 |
182. Charles Grassley believes her! |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #182 |
187. It is difficult to respond to your claim without violating DU's rules. |
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Gwereeya (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #187 |
196. "FBI Whistleblower says Neocons Negotiated Iraq Invasion with Foreign Agents in Summer 2001" |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #187 |
205. And if you claim a fool believes that he hasn't corroborated her claims of treason... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #182 |
192. Yes, Grassley and others have found Edmonds to be credible... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #182 |
195. no, not quite. Grassley thinks that her claims that the FBI didn't |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #195 |
202. And her coworker's husband has been tied to Marc Grossman too! Is that REALLY it?.... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-01-09 01:50 AM Response to Reply #195 |
209. Cali, your logic is flawed and you are desperately trying to parse... |
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Gwereeya (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
185. Methinks they doth protest too much. |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
200. yes |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #200 |
203. lol. could you possibly be anymore self-involved? |
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