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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:37 PM Original message |
What is *categorically* wrong with a nuclear response to a biological attack? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Deploying biological weapons is notoriously dangerous to all involved. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Strontium 90 can be contained? really? |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Technically, it's every bit as dangerous. There's just half as much of it. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. rofl. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. precisely correct |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. A nuclear blast affects a very limited area. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. we'll have to disagree on that. STRONGLY DISAGREE |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Radioactive materials have been with us since the planet formed... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
65. I'm not ignoring fallout at all. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. The problem with the type of biological warfare you are thinking of |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. If we seek to deter only the most rational acts our task would be easy |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Huh? |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I think any large |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Well, and it wouldn't collide with the sun's "surface" |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. ... |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. What is your basis for saying that? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
55. It was a comment in jest |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Thank you for a well stated post. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. re: what is the likelihood |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
54. Wait... you think Obama has ruled that out? He didn'y. He said |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. it is the begining of the process of narrowing the scope and depth of |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I recognize that. (but you are over-estimating conventional weapons) |
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PolNewf (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. The purpose is to give a nuclear get out of jail free card for those without a nuclear deterrent |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Good point. |
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Rage Inc. (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yeah, you're right! |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. No one is nuking anyone. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. really? who do we nuke? |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. We do not. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Very well stated. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. There is no law against actually reading something before responding. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
18. Radiation will outlast any biological organism, good or bad. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. And bacteria |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Not true |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Bacteria is a species not an organism. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. What do you think an organism is? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. An individual. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. So your reasoning is that when you say "This will outlast all organisms" |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. What mutations would you expect to find in termite bacteria in |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I can wipe out a plate of E. coli with some mercury... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Also here you say a nuclear weapon creates damage that pales in comparison to a biological weapon |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. You are incorrect. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The half-life of Uranium 235 is 703,800,000 years. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Polonium is the product. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. It's a good thing plutonium isn't used in nuclear weapons. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Look up the "Fat Man" bomb that destroyed Nagasaki Japan. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Are you pulling my leg? This is what I got from Google. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Clearly infected with Clostridium! |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Are you confusing Po and Pu? |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Here is an article. |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And not all radiation |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. Hiroshima |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. It was a horrible decision |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. It can be right. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
30. I don't see why I should get worked up |
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Scarsdale Vibe (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
31. WH says they can change policy in case of catastrophic biological attack. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
60. But the point of a stance is deterrence |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
44. A biological attack can kill a lot of people, but it targets only humans... |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Biological agents are unpredictable. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Tell that to the people in Iraq who ae suffering from depleated Uranium... |
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mr715 (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Our conventional weapons use depleted uranium shells. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Only those designed for armor penetration. However, they are not nuclear bombs... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Actually, we do need nuclear weapons to level cities |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
61. It's not a "like" response. Biological weapons and the kind of nukes that the U.S. has |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. No |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Well then, I guess the American Indians are within their rights to nuke us. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
66. "What is informing this is thinking of a biological attack as something less extreme"? |
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