Reply #109: Using Ted Nugent as an expert hardly makes me respect their message [View All]

[Susang]

Also, it was not PETA that P&T accused of arson. They accused them of funneling money to an organization that has been accused of arson, after examining PETA's tax returns. Big difference, don't you think? PETA is not ALF, no matter how you may want to believe that they are the same. The Humane Society of America has attended animal rights conferences with both organizations, are they guilty of terrorism as well?

Nor is PETA the the Animal Defense League, whose Dr. Jerry Vlasak made many of the comments on violence that were featured on the show that you are trusting of. He is also the spokesperson for the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine, thus the connection to PETA. Just because they agree with the committee's stance on animal testing does not mean they agree with his views personally.

Also, one of their "experts" was a member of this organization, the Center for Consumer Freedom, a shill for the processed food industry. But, since you did your own research and you know so much about this, I'm sure you already knew that, didn't you?

So, there. I've done some of the research for you. I am quite familiar with Penn and Teller's act and politics and like them most of the time. But often, their person objectives cause them to make bizarre leaps of logic that they would pounce on someone else mercilessly for. The show is produced for entertainment purposes and is not journalism, so it is not subject to the same standards. Infotainment can be fun, but you can't take everything it tells you at face value. Not when radio talk show hosts, industry shills and bad rock stars are featured as "experts". Oh, and as far as Penn being physically intimidating for libertarianism, he is. I don't know if you've ever met the man (I have), but he's gigantic, very physically intimidating and he knows it.

BTW, I am not a member of PETA and don't even agree with all of their platform. I just have been aware of them since their inception and know the impact they have had on animal rights in this country. I also know many animal rights activists, some of them on the violent radical fringe, none of whom are in PETA. They scare the crap out of me and believe it or not, they find PETA to be far too tame and non-violent in their tactics. That's why groups like the Animal Defense League and ALF exist, because PETA wasn't enough for people like this.